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Originally Posted by NorthScottsdale
929, keep it clear in your mind that gay marriage is only ONE issue in the fight for gay rights. There are numerous other issues. For example: "Don't ask, dont tell". If you are openly gay you cannot serve in the United States Military. Also, do you (and those guys in the editorials you posted) seriously believe that homosexuals are not discriminated against or treated like 2nd class citizens? What about that woman in Seattle who got kicked out of a Mariners game because she was kissing her girlfriend? Do you see straight couples getting kicked out of ballgames for kissing? What about the numerous homosexuals that get beaten, raped or killed every year for the simple fact that they are gay? Some people won't hire you because you are gay, some people wont rent or sell a house to you because you are gay. One of my good friends' parents havent talked to him in over 2 years because they found out he was gay. Do straight people (or black people for that matter) know what its like to live in fear of getting disowned by your own family just because your gay?
So yes, 929, there are numerous issues in the gay equality fight. with many rights being denied us, and in the case of prop 8 in california, rights being taken away. If you seriously still can't see the ignorance and bigotry in your posts i pity you.
Also, I was raised in a very strict religious lutheran family, I know all about the bible. And I know all about how even that contradicts itself at times. Also if I am not wrong, the christian faith teaches that only god can judge. So why are all the christians I know some of the most judgemental people out there? you guys get on your high horse and preach about shit you have no idea about.
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Another attack on Christians
And another accusation that I've been judgemental and yet still no quotes that show me having judged anybody. Still waiting on a post that makes me a bigot as well. For the 184,365th time, I voted according to my own faith. You voted however you wanted as well.
As for the other isssues you've raised, you are correct that gays are treated unfairly in a wide variety of ways. I don't dispute or condone that at all. The issue on the ballot, however, dealt strictly with the definition of marriage.
You might be surprised to know that I think "don't ask, don't tell" is ridiculous, by the way.
Regarding the Mariners baseball game, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one of the two women was an MTV, Tila Tequila contestant and she was dressed in stripper-like clothing that almost anyone would find to be inappropriate in a family atmosphere. Secondly, reports were that it was much more than occasional pecks, but "groping and making out." Alcohol was also believed to have been involved and they were apparently warned that continued displays would need to stop, but they refused. Thus, according to their team policy, they had every right to escort them out. If the detailed reports are to be believed, nobody (gay or straight) would have wanted to sit right behind that. Get a room!
It's shameful that anyone would break communication with someone when finding out a friend/family member/etc was gay. It's shameful that gays have been beaten for being gay. Obviously, no doubt about that. Gays indeed are due their civil rights BUT CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE DOES NOT QUALIFY AS THEIR CIVIL RIGHT. Call it something else, then go right ahead.
All that said, standing behind my own Christian convictions as it relates to the definition of marriage, DOES NOT make me ignorant. It DOES NOT make me hateful. It DOES NOT make me a bigot. To assert any of those adjectives against me or anyone else that simply stands by the Bible's definition of marriage, is unfair at best, harrassment at worst.
(now expecting a fresh round of mean-spirited posts claiming that I'm the hateful one)...