Ontario Highways - Page 42

Djeffery · #**821** Posted **Aug 5, 2020, 8:49 PM**

Interesting that the notice on the 427 construction site says 2 month closure. Does that mean the 427 will start opening around Thanksgiving? Will it be in stages or the whole length? Just watched the drone footage, and depending how long ago it was filmed, there is a lot of work to be done still.

https://youtu.be/P_RyuwF3K5U

sonysnob · #**822** Posted **Aug 5, 2020, 9:56 PM**

I watched the July drone footage as well, and while I agree that there is a lot of work to be done, but when they build these greenfield alternatively financed highways, they build them so quickly.

I wouldn't have thought it would be possible for them to finish if I hadn't watch them work miracles when they 407 extension was constructed.

I haven't read the contract for the construction of the highway, but I'd imagine there are limits on how early the contractors can close York Road 99 to complete the tie-in. So if they are closing York Road 99 in August, I'm guessing their hoping to open the highway in November or December.

The only other alternative would be to reopen a connection to Zenway using the northbound lanes or something after construction. But that doesn't make any sense from a construction perspective in my opinion.

Djeffery · #**823** Posted **Aug 6, 2020, 1:30 AM**

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The only other alternative would be to reopen a connection to Zenway using the northbound lanes or something after construction. But that doesn't make any sense from a construction perspective in my opinion.

Zenway won't have an interchange with the new 427 anyway from what I see.

sonysnob · #**824** Posted **Aug 6, 2020, 1:36 AM**

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Zenway won't have an interchange with the new 427 anyway from what I see.

I meant if they left the Zenway diversion south of the overpass in place.

But staging the construction that way wouldn't make sense in my opinion.

Djeffery · #**825** Posted **Aug 6, 2020, 4:42 AM**

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I meant if they left the Zenway diversion south of the overpass in place.

But staging the construction that way wouldn't make sense in my opinion.

They have to completely remove 99 from basically the 7 overpass up to Zenway to build the southbound lanes and align the northbound to the new northbound lanes. There wouldn't be anything to connect the diversion to, which itself needs to be out of the way so the new highway lanes can be run under Zenway. I'm sure it will suck for the people who are used to getting on the 427 at Zenway, but since that won't even be an option after the highway is finished, they might as well get used to it now. Granted, at least when the highway is open, going up to Langstaff will be an option as well. But as you say, I don't see a viable alternative to completely closing the road north of 7 now.

Didn't really realize before looking at the aerial footage how far to the west side of the actual 427 right of way that 99 is. Which is probably good because they likely would have had to close it much sooner if it was right on the right of way.

Dengler Avenue · #**826** Posted **Sep 1, 2020, 1:01 PM**

https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/101...own-commuters/
Apparently Halton doesn’t want it.
Then again, the moment I saw 413, I took it with a grain of salt.

swimmer_spe · #**827** Posted **Sep 1, 2020, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/101...own-commuters/
Apparently Halton doesn’t want it.
Then again, the moment I saw 413, I took it with a grain of salt.

Too bad it wasn't pushed further north so it could be tied into the proposed Bradford bypass.

Dengler Avenue · #**828** Posted **Sep 2, 2020, 12:04 AM**

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Too bad it wasn't pushed further north so it could be tied into the proposed Bradford bypass.

I’d say Bradford Bypass should be extended west to future 410 if the latter ever goes as far as Shelbourne. I wonder if Bradford Bypass is too far for Orangeville though. Highway 9 in GTA isn’t great either.

swimmer_spe · #**829** Posted **Sep 2, 2020, 3:08 PM**

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I’d say Bradford Bypass should be extended west to future 410 if the latter ever goes as far as Shelbourne. I wonder if Bradford Bypass is too far for Orangeville though. Highway 9 in GTA isn’t great either.

Fun fact... if it follows roughly highway 9, it cannot take the 409 number. It could connect down to Orangeville.

ZTrade · #**830** Posted **Sep 5, 2020, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I’d say Bradford Bypass should be extended west to future 410 if the latter ever goes as far as Shelbourne. I wonder if Bradford Bypass is too far for Orangeville though. Highway 9 in GTA isn’t great either.

I disagree. GTA West (Highway 413) would suffice for getting drivers to that area.

Dengler Avenue · #**831** Posted **Sep 24, 2020, 10:32 PM**

Is a repaving operation happening on 400 around Parry Sound? One lane from each direction is currently coned off.

Dengler Avenue · #**832** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 6:42 PM**

Some bullock on the Ontario Road group just proposed tolling 401 to rack in more money. Admittedly, I used to think the same too but now I'm firmly against tolling existing freeways.
From him,

Quote:

History 101.
Never.
Horseless carriages will never replace a horse.
Heavier than air machines will never fly.
Picture television will never replace radio.
The internet will never be more than a toy.
You see where I'm going with this ?

From me,

Quote:

I do.
The 905's will never remember the government that tolls the 401.

swimmer_spe · #**833** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Some bullock on the Ontario Road group just proposed tolling 401 to rack in more money. Admittedly, I used to think the same too but now I'm firmly against tolling existing freeways.
From him,

From me,

Toll all 400 series highways.....

Dengler Avenue · #**834** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:11 PM**

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Toll all 400 series highways.....

Okay, we will extend 417 to SSM so we can put an exorbitant toll on it.

Just, why (did you choose to move back to) Ontario? Why not (live in) B.C. or (in) N.S., especially the latter where you can enjoy paying up for crossing the bridge if you don't use the Bye-Hi and for Cobequid Pass...

swimmer_spe · #**835** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Okay, we will extend 417 to SSM so we can put an exorbitant toll on it.

Just, why (did you choose to live in) Ontario? Why not B.C. or N.S. (especially the latter where you can enjoy paying up for crossing the bridge <if you don't use the Bye-Hi> and for Cobequid Pass)...

You mean when I lived in Victoria and Halifax? Sending about $100 to leave the island was high, but I accepted it. If the tolls were to go to road maintenance and improvements, go for it. However, not at the 407 rates.

Dengler Avenue · #**836** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:18 PM**

You. Are. Gonna. Rattle. The. 905s. Big. Time.

For the time being, I can say that no party will have the gut to do it (unless it wants a rebrand after getting trashed). Case in point, John Tory wanna toll Gardiner Expressway and DVP, and Kathleen Wynne flat out told him no. Doug Ford said the same thing too (though behind closed doors).

swimmer_spe · #**837** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

You. Are. Gonna. Rattle. The. 905s. Big. Time.

For the time being, I can say that no party will have the gut to do it (unless it wants a rebrand after getting trashed). Case in point, John Tory wanna toll Gardiner Expressway and DVP, and Kathleen Wynne flat out told him no. Doug Ford said the same thing too (though behind closed doors).

Maybe it is time to treat the entire province the same. That goes for taking forever to extend wider highways, or horribly plowed highways..... Or, maybe we toll all 400 series highways. Even if it was a maximum of 10 cents or less, that would over time help the government pay for the maintenance and improvements.

Dengler Avenue · #**838** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Maybe it is time to treat the entire province the same. That goes for taking forever to extend wider highways, or horribly plowed highways..... Or, maybe we toll all 400 series highways. Even if it was a maximum of 10 cents or less, that would over time help the government pay for the maintenance and improvements.

As I've always told you, grow the population density in Northern Ontario, and/or elect some Grits (instead of Dippers), then we can talk.
Rick Bartolucci was liberal, not NDP. The same goes for Michael Gravelle.

swimmer_spe · #**839** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

As I've always told you, grow the population density in Northern Ontario, and/or elect some Grits (instead of Dippers), then we can talk.
Rick Bartolucci was liberal, not NDP. The same goes for Michael Gravelle.

Many times we have, still nothing. Look at Vic Fideli, he has done nothing for up here.

Dengler Avenue · #**840** Posted **Oct 15, 2020, 11:51 PM**

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Many times we have, still nothing. Look at Vic Fideli, he has done nothing for up here.

Okay I'm disappointed too that it isn't in his priority to make North Bay Route 6 shovel-ready.

But look at something like Nickel Belt. It is just reliably orange. Wow. (Yet the freeway between Coniston and Markstay is nowhere near shovel ready. I wonder why.

)
I'm actually surprised that Algoma - Manitoulin was red for a bit. Yea, more could have been done...

I still think it's better than orange though.

Lol, I'm unintentionally turning this into an NDP-bashing session.