LOS ANGELES | METRO Project Rundown 2.0 (non-downtown)

[edale]

Originally Posted by ChelseaFC

Most of America looks like this, dense downtown financial districts are the exception.

Um...no. There are a million shades of grey between "dense downtown financial districts" and this walled off fortress of a development.

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by edale

Um...no. There are a million shades of grey between "dense downtown financial districts" and this walled off fortress of a development.

Probably due to safety concerns. If a similar development is built in Pasadena, you probably get something a little more open.

[citywatch]

In the dtla compilations pg I've been describing vids of other places & cities throughout the world, most posted to youtube. Totally different vibe elsewhere.

When I've pointed out the major fountains in dt aren't working right now...whether due to drought or not...some ppl have had a 'no biggie' attitude. Seeing how big time & busy....full of street life, crowded sidewalks.....other cities are like, my complaining about fountains not working makes me feel like I should be complaining that the town's one traffic signal has burned out.

I mentioned a few wks ago that ppl in LA love to live in their car....crowded fwys are the main way to tell LA has a somewhat large population. I also originally thought that nicer looking streets in LA would be more appealing, so ppl might be more likely to go out & walk around....not necessarily so.

The transit in LA has been described by some ppl as now being too sketchy or full of too much drama to want to keep using. When I mentioned that going into dtla itself, after being stuck in crowded fwys all around it, often gave a sense of way fewer ppl out & about, & as though LA was a smaller city, an ssper became resentful.

Maybe LA doesn't have nice enough weather? Maybe ppl don't walk to walk around unless they're one block from the beach? Maybe a disneyfied place like the Grove is what ppl in LA are willing to drop by & visit?

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by citywatch

In the dtla compilations pg I've been describing vids of other places & cities throughout the world, most posted to youtube. Totally different vibe elsewhere.

When I've pointed out the major fountains in dt aren't working right now...whether due to drought or not...some ppl have had a 'no biggie' attitude. Seeing how big time & busy....full of street life, crowded sidewalks.....other cities are like, my complaining about fountains not working makes me feel like I should be complaining that the town's one traffic signal has burned out.

I mentioned a few wks ago that ppl in LA love to live in their car....crowded fwys are the main way to tell LA has a somewhat large population. I also originally thought that nicer looking streets in LA would be more appealing, so ppl might be more likely to go out & walk around....not necessarily so.

The transit in LA has been described by some ppl as now being too sketchy or full of too much drama to want to keep using. When I mentioned that going into dtla itself, after being stuck in crowded fwys all around it, often gave a sense of way fewer ppl out & about, & as though LA was a smaller city, an ssper became resentful.

Maybe LA doesn't have nice enough weather? Maybe ppl don't walk to walk around unless they're one block from the beach? Maybe a disneyfied place like the Grove is what ppl in LA are willing to drop by & visit?

You took so long to get to the point that I'm not sure what your point actually is. Are you saying that since LA is so autocentric and people don't walk around (as in Angelenos drive to places to walk around) that this particular Hollywood Park project is actually the desired mixed use typology, at least for this area?

[citywatch]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Are you saying that since LA is so autocentric and people don't walk around (as in Angelenos drive to places to walk around) that this particular Hollywood Park project is actually the desired mixed use typology, at least for this area?

Bingo. One of the posts above implies the layout of the new stadium area in inglewood is too car-centric. It is. But the more sidewalk oriented nature of certain other hoods in LA, including dtla or fancy bev hills, aren't necessarily all that more full of ppl as their counterpart areas in certain other cities are.

Fighting the nature of LA....which I admit to wanting to do on occasion too....is similar to fighting the wave action of the ocean.

[hughfb3]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Below the 10, does Sepulveda or Overland have higher density/anticipated ridership? I'd probably go with HRT Overland or HRT Sepulveda based on that answer. Otherwise, I agree with either route as a Sepulveda extension to LAX. The Purple Line Extension to LAX doesn't make a lot of sense to me, especially once the Crenshaw northern extension to the Purple Line is complete. A one seat ride for people from the Valley to LAX seems more ideal.

The reception to the Overland alignment was quiet. The one with a surprising buzz was the Centinela alignment as it is one of the routes that would give way to the most amount of new developments and new transit trips… it would also be the most expensive. The Sepulveda route also has a high development potential around fox hills and the north eastern side of playa vista, like this new TCA tower at Howard Hughes... and it would be the most direct to LAX.

I’m partial to the 405 alignment as it would be the fastest most direct route to LAX and the cheapest by a few billion, as well as the only one that would give riders expansive views of the westside and basin *with only 1 freeway median station.* But this is a development thread and I say all that to relate back to the development potential on the westside with phase 2 contributing to the expanding Howard Hughes skyline and combining it with a new high rise district at Fox Hills just across the freeway.

[colemonkee]

My issue with the I-405 alignment, aside from the benefits you mention (which I think we could get with any of these alignments from a development perspective), is that it's awful from a pedestrian perspective to put the line where users will have to walk underneath 6 lanes of traffic and then up stairs/elevators just to reach the stations. It's similar to the Green Line east of El Segundo, which hasn't seen much development around it's stops further east likely due in part to that impediment to riding. It would also put development right against the freeway, which is not the greatest thing from a health perspective for those living/working there.

[112597jorge]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Unlikely. Here are the renderings. Looks to be one of those insular outdoor shopping mall fortresses kind of like the Citadel or something. Why not make it more open? Isn't Intuit Dome going to be right across from it on Century Blvd? They should make it more pedestrian friendly and accessible so people could easily go there before and after games.

Theres ample space between the Cinema Walls and Century Blvd and Praire Ave sidewalks for restaurants and bars to serve the Intuit dome crowds and Sofi Crowds too. This urban design is absolutely terrible.

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by 112597jorge

Theres ample space between the Cinema Walls and Century Blvd and Praire Ave sidewalks for restaurants and bars to serve the Intuit dome crowds and Sofi Crowds too. This urban design is absolutely terrible.

It's really not designed to be urban in the way that say Old Town Pasadena is. Not only are Century and Prairie way too wide for sidewalk cafes and boutique shops, but it's mostly a safety and security issue. They don't want just anyone off the street to drift in and out, so they have designated access points where they can monintor things more closely.

[112597jorge]

Originally Posted by ChelseaFC

It's really not designed to be urban in the way that say Old Town Pasadena is. Not only are Century and Prairie way too wide for sidewalk cafes and boutique shops, but it's mostly a safety and security issue. They don't want just anyone off the street to drift in and out, so they have designated access points where they can monintor things more closely.

Yeah you are 100% right, just felt they could have done something like this on Katella in Anaheim Resort District. Less tacky of course.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8034...7i16384!8i8192

[HeySparky]

I hope the Santa Monica city counsel increases their security starting today, because they just unanimously approved the Frank Gehry building for Ocean Avenue. The yokels in the community are going to be out for blood.

https://www.smdp.com/planning-commis...kQOcsMSKUCMxn4

[colemonkee]

^ Great news!!!!

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by HeySparky

I hope the Santa Monica city counsel increases their security starting today, because they just unanimously approved the Frank Gehry building for Ocean Avenue. The yokels in the community are going to be out for blood.

https://www.smdp.com/planning-commis...kQOcsMSKUCMxn4

Awesome! So glad to see that

[LAisthePlace]

Originally Posted by HeySparky

I hope the Santa Monica city counsel increases their security starting today, because they just unanimously approved the Frank Gehry building for Ocean Avenue. The yokels in the community are going to be out for blood.

https://www.smdp.com/planning-commis...kQOcsMSKUCMxn4

While this is fantastic news, it is actually just the City Planning Commission and not the City Council just yet (if I'm reading it right).

Still a bit to go...