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Old Posted Jul 16, 2020, 3:51 AM
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They're closed doors on the left. When opened at train time, they lead passengers to the tunnel that took them to the tracks. They were kept closed until train time, so that people would not go track side until a boarding call was made. Those doors were removed around the early 1990s. Now, anyone can walk up to the platforms and view the tracks at anytime.
I think the platform entrance is out of frame to the right in the second photo, the center of that photo is where the entrance to Metrorail is.
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First off, to get oriented, here's the 1873 map of Los Angeles, which I've brazenly stolen from MR's earlier post (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...tcount=14027):

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I first came across the photo below -- which I'll subsequently refer to as the mystery photo -- at the USC Digital Library site, where it is undated and unlocated
(http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/24663/rec/79), then I found it at the Autry National Center site, where they have ID'd the photo as Sonoratown, 1860.
The angular white buildings(s) in the foreground of the northeast-looking mystery photo are on the corners of Eternity (not named on map), Church* (or Bread),
and Calle Principal. If I'm not mistaken, the large two-story building on the right side of the photo is the Bath Street Public School, built c. 1854. The street
that comes in from the left side of the photo and seemingly disappears behind that building is Alameda Street, and I'm pretty sure that the white line running
eastward from the back of the two-story building is Macy Street:

theautry.org -- http://collections.theautry.org/mweb...=93_21_234.jpg
*The side with eight doors and one window.

Compare the mystery photo with this one, which LAPL says is c. 1875 (and taken from the Pico House, which is impossible). USC has the same photo without
identifying where it was taken from but also says it was taken c. 1875 (although the USC print has 1869 written on it):

LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011128.jpg
USC -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...25373/rec/1473

In the above photo, we see on the left the northwest corner of Church and Calle Principal. The building two structures south of the two-story building now also
has a second story. The three-story building in the background, on the southeast corner of Alameda and Macy, is the Sisters of Charity Orphanage, built in 1857
(http://www.maryvale-ca.org/about-us) or 1858 (LAPL). That orphanage was replaced by the big one in Boyle Heights in 1891, which we've seen here before.

I know the two photos were taken from slightly different angles. But if the mystery photo was taken after the Sisters of Charity Orphanage was built, shouldn't we
be able to see just a sliver of the orphanage on the right edge of the mystery photo?

The payoff here is that if the mystery photo was taken before 1858, it would apparently be the oldest known photograph of Los Angeles:
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...s-angeles.html
Did you get any feedback on whether this is indeed the oldest known photo of Los Angeles? (This is a 2013 post from page 776.)

I happened to be reading about the Sisters of Charity school. The 1873 Ruxton survey shows it as a rectangle:
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/c...d/11821/rec/13

But this panoramic map dated 1871 shows it as "L" shaped:
https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf2b69p065/?brand=oac4 (also note the circular drawing in the lower right.)

This 1877 panoramic map also shows it as "L" shaped:
https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf3d5nb4gh/?brand=oac4
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2020, 6:59 PM
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I think the platform entrance is out of frame to the right in the second photo, the center of that photo is where the entrance to Metrorail is.
Before the entrance to Metrorail was built, that are was a large janitorial room and a paymaster office. Although LAUS still looks original in many ways, major changes have altered the original buildings. The commissary, which moved to Eighth Street years ago, was once behind Fred Harvey's. The bus area was just outside the south gardens. Today, it is near the north gardens. Above the main building, there used to be a mail sorting area that sent mail over Macy to the Terminal Annex. And, of course, the trolley stop on the south/east corner no longer exists.
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Prompted by Mackerm's recent post, I was looking through various materials which turn out to be not much to the point; but perhaps some effluvia from my search will be of some stray interest:

Here's a detail from an 1852 sketch by William Rich Hutton (now in the Huntington Library) showing the area (but from a different direction) of the early photograph mentioned in the earlier post.


from Huntington Library item number HM-43214-32, sharpened and with enhanced contrast

For those who might want to locate very precisely the location of the Bath Street School (not that it was in question), here's notice (as "2nd") of its availability for purchase:


LA Times, 4/8/1883

I don't have a precise date on which it was originally built--I've run across a "ca. 1854" somewhere, say my hasty notes--but after its service as a school, it was bought by the interesting Andre Briswalter in 1883, only to be demolished with the widening of Bath St. in 1884.
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Here are two slides of Union Station taken in 1979.


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I took my first ever trip on a train in 1979 from Union Station to Santa Barbara. When I returned from Santa Barbara I was in a train car with broken air conditioning where they took all the old people out and brought in all young teens who were yelling at the employees saying, "you only put us here because we're young." True! Not a great ride back to Los Angeles! When I got back home Sunday evening there was a disaster movie about a train heading back to Los Angeles on TV, so I had to watch it!

Disaster on the Coastliner is the name of that movie, I just looked it up! IMDB says it aired on October 29, 1979. My memory is that this trip was not that late in the year, but if that's when the movie was on...but October 29 was a Monday and I came back on a Sunday.

Okay, wikipedia says the movie aired on ABC on Sunday, October 28, 1979. It's about a disgruntled employee who tries to make two trains heading toward one another from Los Angeles and San Francisco crash into one another. Reading further, none of this was filmed in California, but rather Connecticut...? So never mind, except that if one wants to see it, apparently Amazon has it available for streaming.

In 2018, I visited Union Station several times to take the Gold Line to City of Hope and was pleased to see the station so busy. That December I was invited on a tour of the station (I don't recall if it was an L.A. Conservancy tour or which one it was), but it was grand. There's some parts of it that are not used except for filming purposes, they said, that we got to go into and we also stood in locations where various movies were filmed and then shown the photos, or video segments from tablets. Among lots of other historical info. It was also Christmas time and the place was beautifully decorated.

Meanwhile, here's a photo I like from the Union Station's website, but no info about it as to what year.

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Did you get any feedback on whether this is indeed the oldest known photo of Los Angeles?
Thanks for asking -- and finding those maps -- Mackerm, but no, I have not. Maybe the Sisters of Charity building is just out of frame
on the right in the upper photo, dated 1860 at the Autry.


We may have seen this image before, but since we're talking about the old Sisters of Charity building, I believe this is it in its final days,
looking west at its "back" side, with the 1891 LA High School tower in the distance at the right edge:



Catalog Number SCWHR-P-002.2-1708R at Seaver Center

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Here's a real treat.

Amateur slide showing the Olympic Stadium in 1965. ...(perhaps I should say the back of the Olympic Stadium)



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At first glance I thought the word Olympic was placed on the image as a watermark but it's actually painted on the stadium's back wall. I don't recall seeing this before.


Oh, and that's my Aunt Tessie.



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Here are the W.A.M.P.A.S. Baby Stars of 1928 posing in front of First National Studios (later Warner Bros.)



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I thought the young lady on top of the car was pointing a gun. ("offer me a studio contract or else. . . ")












The seller didn't mention First National I just noticed this sign


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but I'm unable to decipher "8 Miles" ..and...."Hour" ......(studio tour?)

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Before the entrance to Metrorail was built, that are was a large janitorial room and a paymaster office. Although LAUS still looks original in many ways, major changes have altered the original buildings. The commissary, which moved to Eighth Street years ago, was once behind Fred Harvey's. The bus area was just outside the south gardens. Today, it is near the north gardens. Above the main building, there used to be a mail sorting area that sent mail over Macy to the Terminal Annex. And, of course, the trolley stop on the south/east corner no longer exists.

"The bus area was just outside the south gardens."

Is this the south garden, BDiH? (see below)


. . .Whatever it is, this is how it appeared in 1979. (same year as the two previous slides I posted Here)


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I believe the lights are a nod to nearby Chinatown.


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BDiH, any idea where this 'mystery' door leads to?

If you look at the complete slide it looks like you could just walk around the end of the wall - several feet to the right.



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BDiH, any idea where this 'mystery' door leads to?

If you look at the complete slide it looks like you could just walk around the end of the wall - several feet to the right.

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The Amtrak Bus connection terminal is on the other side of that wall now.

ETA: Looking at the Framefinder photos, it looks like there used to be a parking lot there.

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The seller didn't mention First National I just noticed this sign


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but I'm unable to decipher "8 Miles" ..and...."Hour" ......(studio tour?)

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I think it's a speed limit sign.

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Here are the W.A.M.P.A.S. Baby Stars of 1928 posing in front of First National Studios (later Warner Bros.)


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I thought the young lady on top of the car was pointing a gun. ("offer me a studio contract or else. . . ")


I recognize a few of the girls' names--Sally Eilers, June Collyer (who turns out to have been the sister of "To Tell the Truth"'s Bud Collyer), and the future
Mrs. Alan Ladd, Sue Carol, second from left. Seems she was only 5'3", so a good match for Ladd, who I always heard had to stand on a soapbox in some scenes....

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I wonder if that's their Eldorado?





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The Amtrak Bus connection terminal is on the other side of that wall now.

ETA: Looking at the Framefinder photos, it looks like there used to be a parking lot there.
The building at the end of the wall is not original (few decades old, now). It used to be the baggage area. I am guessing that the wall with the door extended further at one time, closing off the garden. The door may have been the only entrance to that baggage area and the turn-around area for trolley cars. That garden is the north garden. The south garden is closer to the Metropolitan Water District offices.

There is a brief scene in True Confessions that shows the baggage area similar to the way it was originally.
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The building at the end of the wall is not original (few decades old, now). It used to be the baggage area. I am guessing that the wall with the door extended further at one time, closing off the garden. The door may have been the only entrance to that baggage area and the turn-around area for trolley cars. That garden is the north garden. The south garden is closer to the Metropolitan Water District offices.

There is a brief scene in True Confessions that shows the baggage area similar to the way it was originally.
Right, it's the north garden I was looking at. There was a parking lot north of that wall in 1971 per the aerial from FrameFinder.
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mysterysades.



This photograph showed up on eBay a few days ago.

"Birdseye View 1930s PACIFIC PALISADES - Church - Early Homes - LOS ANGELES"

I haven't been able to figure out where, exactly, this photograph was taken.


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Does anyone recognize this large gully?

Also, what are those diagonal lines running down the sides of the hillside. . . fences? . . . pathways? . . . pipes? ....


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Take a look at this amazing amateur slide of Circo's c.1950s


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What in heaven's name is going on with the lot next door? ...If you hold your hand over Circo's you'd think this was some poor rural area . . . not the Sunset Strip.

By the looks of the weeds and worn wood remnants it appears that the lot had been empty for quite some time when this photograph was taken.


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No wonder all the photos of Ciro's usually cut that area off! Heh!

We've seen this 1949 photo before:

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I've been trying to identify the names on the marquee, besides Rose Marie...but there are ROSEMARIE's, too.
? LLAN and ? HTON or ? NTON.

Since Ciro's has appeared, I'll post this photo taken in the opposite direction as the one above, that I saw on a Facebook page recently. There was no date or info about it, or who the guy is in the Corvette. It looks like the exterior is being painted.

Someone did comment that: "Shirley Claire still performs in Palm Springs!!!!" And another wrote "Open to Public" was one of my favorite acts.
For search purposes as well: Slim Gaillard, Mac Niles.


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Also on there was this interesting post from about a year ago:

The Belly Room (of The comedy Store), is being repaired and the old walls are getting replaced. At the top of the waitress' back stairs, is a short wall that used to have all the gay comics headshots on it.
Well, the photos have been removed, and last night I realized there was some old wallpaper behind it.



Then I noticed the board covering the bottom half of the wall was loose, and once removed, what was behind it? A full panel of vintage Ciro's wallpaper, circa 1939.




Besides these two photos, six more shots of the wallpaper HERE.

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Rose Marie played Ciro's with Bebe Allen and Barry Ashton for six weeks in August and September of 1952.

The Dick Stabile orchestra and the Bobby Ramos orchestra were also on the bill.

Variety 9/3/52 and Variety 10/15/52
LAT 29 Oct 1952


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Take a look at this amazing amateur slide of Circo's c.1950s


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What in heaven's name is going on with the lot next door? ...If you hold your hand over Circo's you'd think this was some poor rural area not the Sunset Strip.

By the looks of the weeds and worn wood remnants it appears that the lot had been empty for quite some time when this photograph was taken.


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This photograph showed up on eBay a few days ago.

"Birdseye View 1930s PACIFIC PALISADES - Church - Early Homes - LOS ANGELES"

I haven't been able to figure out where, exactly, this photograph was taken.


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Does anyone recognize this large gully?

Also, what are those diagonal lines running down the sides of the hillside. . . fences? . . . pathways? . . . pipes? ....


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This is Temescal Canyon, between Palisades High and PCH. The diagonals looks to be a variety of things. The nearest one seems to be a fence, but could also be a swale for runoff. It does appear to be some pipes also, so I’d guess that the drainage from the properties goes down into the canyons.
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This is Temescal Canyon, between Palisades High and PCH. The diagonals looks to be a variety of things.
The nearest one seems to be a fence, but could also be a swale for runoff. It does appear to be some pipes also, so I’d guess that the drainage
from the properties goes down into the canyons.
Thanks for answering my question, nadeau.


Here is an aerial of the same area on April 2, 1937


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below: In this cropped view of the aerial I've circled the church(es) that are visible in the photograph I posted yesterday.


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And here's a cropped view from the other photo (from yesterday)



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Oh, I almost forgot.

This is the back of the aerial photograph.



hmmm. . .Huntington Palisades? ......



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