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Always surprised me how 2 of Canada's most beautiful cities have amongst the ugliest universities namely Ottawa and Quebec. Although Laval has a good reputation, neither Carleton {last chance U} nor Ottawa {Ottawa who?} do which is again surprising considering Ottawa's importance.

Traditionally an Ottawan who wanted to go to a Ivey League school went to Queens in Kingston. It was never, ever, considered a very significant school nor monied one and was never even considered as an even also-ran of the Big 4..........Western, U of T, Queens, or McGill.
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Always surprised me how 2 of Canada's most beautiful cities have amongst the ugliest universities namely Ottawa and Quebec. Although Laval has a good reputation, neither Carleton {last chance U} nor Ottawa {Ottawa who?} do which is again surprising considering Ottawa's importance.

Traditionally an Ottawan who wanted to go to a Ivey League school went to Queens in Kingston. It was never, ever, considered a very significant school nor monied one and was never even considered as an even also-ran of the Big 4..........Western, U of T, Queens, or McGill.
Queens is not an “Ivey League” (sic) university, but it has long been a favoured destination for the spawn of the bureaucracy.
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Queens is not an “Ivey League” (sic) university, but it has long been a favoured destination for the spawn of the bureaucracy.
LOL, maybe he was referring to Richard Ivey school of Business, but then that's in UWO.
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Beatcha! I have 13 years of university education (4 years undergrad science, 4 years med school, 5 years internship and residency), although to be honest, that's pretty typical for medical specialists in Canada. A lot of specialists top things off with additional fellowship training (1-3 years) and/or courses in health care administration, totalling 15-16 years.
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Queens is not an “Ivey League” (sic) university, but it has long been a favoured destination for the spawn of the bureaucracy.
Queen's was always an Ivey league school. It was a wealthy school and one of the 4 that the well healed Montrealers, Torontonians, and Ottawans sent their kids to get a good education while mingling with the "right" kind of crowd.
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Beatcha! I have 13 years of university education (4 years undergrad science, 4 years med school, 5 years internship and residency), although to be honest, that's pretty typical for medical specialists in Canada. A lot of specialists top things off with additional fellowship training (1-3 years) and/or courses in health care administration, totalling 15-16 years.
I also have two years of College (CEGEP, as I grew up in Montreal). Which is rather like Uni light, except for Pure & Applied Science, which was challenging.
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Beatcha! I have 13 years of university education (4 years undergrad science, 4 years med school, 5 years internship and residency), although to be honest, that's pretty typical for medical specialists in Canada. A lot of specialists top things off with additional fellowship training (1-3 years) and/or courses in health care administration, totalling 15-16 years.
If I watched some Youtube videos and Googled some medical jargon would that count as equivalent? Just asking for a friend who says that Covid is no worse than the flu.
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If I watched some Youtube videos and Googled some medical jargon would that count as equivalent? Just asking for a friend who says that Covid is no worse than the flu.


Does your friend have a diploma from Trump University?
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Does your friend have a diploma from Trump University?
Or maybe reads the Washington Post. That was the chattering-class spin on Covid back when the crazy evil Trump was instituting "xenophobic" restrictions on international travel.
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I also have two years of College (CEGEP, as I grew up in Montreal). Which is rather like Uni light, except for Pure & Applied Science, which was challenging.
Well, I certainly can't match your academic credentials (since I know you are at least an associate professor, if not a full professor at Western University), but I am a faculty member at Dalhousie University Medical School. I have in fact risen to the lofty rank of Lecturer in the Department of Radiology.

AllI I would have to do to become an Assistant Professor is to ask, and perhaps sometime before I retire I will (just to give some more heft to my obituary), but it really doesn't matter that much to me. While the Moncton Hospital is a teaching hospital, complete with senior medical students, family practice residents and some specialty residents on rotation, and is also a multi specialty tertiary care referral hospital, it is not a research hospital and as such, doesn't have the same type of academic resources as the VG or the Infirmary in Halifax would.

Despite not being a research hospital, I am pretty sure that I am the first physician in the world to come up with the idea of using Tc MDP SPECT/CT bone scans to target inflamed articular facets for fluoroscopically guided diagnostic/therapeutic facet joint injections.

The reason why I think this is because we received one of the very first diagnostic grade SPECT/CT nuclear medicine scanners in the world (about 18 years ago), and we started doing this procedure within the first couple of years after we received the scanner. The technology was so new that we were formulating new techniques and protocols on our own. We were pioneers. I happen to do both nuclear medicine and therapeutic joint injections, so I was uniquely placed to see the application of this new type of imaging towards the targeting of appropriate joints for injection.

In the before times, we would just follow the directions of the referring orthopaedic or neurosurgeon as to which joints to inject, but frequently these directions were little more than informed guesses. They often requested multiple joints to be injected at the same time, and I began to wonder if we could localize only the inflamed ones with this new form of imaging and it worked perfectly. We were able to reduce the number of joint to be injected by at least 50% or so, improving patient outcome and decreasing the time of the injection procedure and the risk of patient morbidity.

If I had been in a research hospital, I would have published this data, and gone on the conference circuit to present my findings, but alas, there is little support for research at the hospital, and no radiology residents to download the research work onto. Since I was otherwise busy with my clinical responsibilities, I just let it go. I finally saw similar work presented in the literature about a decade later.

Our nuclear medicine department has come up with some other nifty protocols over the years, most notably dual isotope subtraction I-123/Tc Sestamibi SPECT/CT to localize parathyroid adenomas for our head and neck surgeons prior to excision, but, as above, we have received little recognition for our work.
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^very interesting stories. I know a lot of Doctors are engaged in research, along with engaging their practice. And of course, at Western we not only have the teaching hospital (literally known as university hospital, plus a whole ecology of labs for everything under the sun) but the other two main hospitals in London are also part of the Western med school network (Victoria hospital complex, and St. Joseph's)

Can you affiliate with a research hospital (e.g., Dal)? Or maybe partner with a colleague that is affiliated with a research school so you can publish your work (and get conference funding, etc.)?
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Can you affiliate with a research hospital (e.g., Dal)? Or maybe partner with a colleague that is affiliated with a research school so you can publish your work (and get conference funding, etc.)?
Since I am a faculty member at Dalhousie University, the answer would be yes.

It's not something I would strive to do now. I'm nearing the end of my career (retirement in 2-5 years depending on how ornery I get).

At the time this was happening though, there was a lot going on. I was just ending my seven year tenure as Chief of the Department of Medical Imaging at my hospital and I was tired. Our department at the time was small (then about 7-8 members, now 13 members), and we were swamped with clinical responsibilities and on call obligations. My children at the time were also at a very interesting stage, and I was already missing out on a lot of their growing up. I had very little time or energy for anything.

In a larger teaching/research hospital, the place tends to be crawling with residents. The residents are responsible for a lot of the day to day operational requirements of the hospital, and do most of the on call duties. This frees up the attendings for teaching, research and administrative responsibilities. I had no such luxury at my hospital. Our responsibilities are primarily clinical.

I could have contacted the academic head of radiology at Dalhousie (since I was a member of his department), and asked about support for publication. This would have required a formal research proposal, and approval from the research and medical ethics committees. I still would not have had a resident to assist me or compile the research data since we don't have residents in my clinical department. I would still have been responsible for this. Importantly though, departmental statisticians would have been made available to ensure the statistics were valid and significant. I would then have written a paper for peer review.

The reviewers would probably have cast a jaundiced eye at the paper though since it came from a non research hospital (albeit affiliated with Dalhousie), and the author (me) is not a certified nuclear medicine physician (requires a two year fellowship on top of a four year radiology residency). I have six months nuclear medicine incorporated into my general residency, which is more than enough to supervise a non academic nuclear medicine department in a community hospital.

I thought about publishing it at the time, but I decided I was just too busy otherwise, and that I was satisfied that we were making significant strides in modifying this new technology to suit our local requirements in Moncton. I decided I was happy enough with that.

I said that we had one of the first diagnostic grade SPECT/CT scanners in the world (third one in the world actually). We now have two of these machines at the hospital, and these types of hybrid SPECT gamma cameras and helical CT scanners are now pretty ubiquitous. The funny thing is that the nuclear medicine department in Halifax still does not have diagnostic SPECT/CT.

The government in NS cheaped out on them, only letting them buy units with low dose (non diagnostic) CT components allowing them to do attenuation correction for cardiac nuclear medicine studies, but not full anatomic imaging. We probably would have been turned down by the NB government at the time too, we just didn't tell the government exactly what we were up to. We did use the scanner for attenuation correction, it just so happened the CT was powerful enough for full anatomic imaging too........
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Does your friend have a diploma from Trump University?
He graduated from the Breitbart School of Alex Jones Medicine.
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The reviewers would probably have cast a jaundiced eye at the paper though since it came from a non research hospital (albeit affiliated with Dalhousie), and the author (me) is not a certified nuclear medicine physician (requires a two year fellowship on top of a four year radiology residency). I have six months nuclear medicine incorporated into my general residency, which is more than enough to supervise a non academic nuclear medicine department in a community hospital.
I understand this, but don't the medical journals practice double-blind peer reviewing? (although the editors and associate editors are not blinded to the authors or vice versa, which can somewhat influence [although it shouldn't] the treatment that the submission would receive).
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I understand this, but don't the medical journals practice double-blind peer reviewing? (although the editors and associate editors are not blinded to the authors or vice versa, which can somewhat influence [although it shouldn't] the treatment that the submission would receive).
Perhaps they do, but I am not sure. In any event, I guess I had a bit of an inferiority complex about publishing my research. I probably shouldn't have, after all, Albert Einstein was a simple patent clerk in Switzerland when he had his General Theory published.
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Queen's was always an Ivey league school. It was a wealthy school and one of the 4 that the well healed Montrealers, Torontonians, and Ottawans sent their kids to get a good education while mingling with the "right" kind of crowd.
Ivy League is a specific finite group of hsitoric US universities.

It does not just apply fast and loose to any old prestigious university. Especially not in another country.
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Always surprised me how 2 of Canada's most beautiful cities have amongst the ugliest universities namely Ottawa and Quebec. Although Laval has a good reputation, neither Carleton {last chance U} nor Ottawa {Ottawa who?} do which is again surprising considering Ottawa's importance.

Traditionally an Ottawan who wanted to go to a Ivey League school went to Queens in Kingston. It was never, ever, considered a very significant school nor monied one and was never even considered as an even also-ran of the Big 4..........Western, U of T, Queens, or McGill.
Ivy League is a U.S. thing as others have pointed out, but I still get your point. Ottawa's Universities are generally not well viewed. Very middle of the road. Carleton's reputation has improved significantly over the years. The journalism program has always been well regarded. The architecture program is good as far as I know. uOttawa has always had potential as the central university, but never quite reached it, even with backing from big names like Alex Trebek.

In no particular order, we think of UofT, Queens, McGill, Dalhousie, McMaster, Laurier, UBC, Western and a few others as Canada's premier institutions. Ottawa's universities have never been up in those ranks, which is surprising, and disappointing, for the upper-middle class Capital of Canada.

And on the Quebec side, UQO, has been severely neglected by the Province making it a very minor institutions with only a few very basic programs.
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