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BuildThemTaller · #21 Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Antares41

I would like them to build a football stadium over the trainyard. LIC would flourish if it were an exciting destination for NYers. All the elements as far as transportation is in place. Bring back the Jets to NYC!

No thank you. A football stadium that's only used a 8 times per year is a bad idea. Any team would want to make it accessible to the suburbs via roads. Queens Plaza and Sunnyside Yards don't have good access to a major highway. Sure, the Long Island Expressway goes near there, but that would be a disaster every time they had a game or concert there. And again, it would only be for a couple dozen events per year. They'd be better off building it in Flushing. The infrastructure is already there and it's closer to the Long Island suburbs where much of the fanbase is located, anyway.

Long Island City has several cultural elements already, including MoMA PS1, the Culture Lab, and not far from the Museum of the Moving Image and Noguchi Museum. It would be better to lean into that with a graffiti museum or something that harkens back to the 5Pointz era rather than a big publicly-funded little-used stadium that wouldn't do much to actually help the area thrive. As it is, there's plenty of 'organic' development underway.

Busy Bee · #22 Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 6:23 PM**

2 sites for a potential football stadium:

1) The former Flushing Airport in College Point. Space for a future yard for a College Point subway extension should also be accommodated.

2) The MTA could sell the rights about Jamaica Yard, though it would be stadium with basically zero parking, but the flipside is that is would encourage almost universal transit use and for a location with so many options, there really isn't any excuse. Hell, Belmont Park hardly has any parking and that's probably used more in a calendar year than an NFL stadium would.

Antares41 · #23 Posted **Jun 24, 2021, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

No thank you. A football stadium that's only used a 8 times per year is a bad idea. Any team would want to make it accessible to the suburbs via roads. Queens Plaza and Sunnyside Yards don't have good access to a major highway. Sure, the Long Island Expressway goes near there, but that would be a disaster every time they had a game or concert there. And again, it would only be for a couple dozen events per year. They'd be better off building it in Flushing. The infrastructure is already there and it's closer to the Long Island suburbs where much of the fanbase is located, anyway.

Long Island City has several cultural elements already, including MoMA PS1, the Culture Lab, and not far from the Museum of the Moving Image and Noguchi Museum. It would be better to lean into that with a graffiti museum or something that harkens back to the 5Pointz era rather than a big publicly-funded little-used stadium that wouldn't do much to actually help the area thrive. As it is, there's plenty of 'organic' development underway.

The premise discussed was what would make LIC more of a destination. Everything you stated is fine and I applaud organic growth, but, if (and it's a very big if considering the negatives) you wanted to jump start growth something spectacular might be needed. You need something that would garner national attention, even with a limited number of games (football soccer, etc.) and other venues. You just can underestimate the impact of TV camera panning the LIC skyline (which many people in the country don't even knows existed) along with the midtown Manhattan skyline to generate public interest in the area. Even a basketball court or hockey arena (think Barclay in downtown Brooklyn) might work. I'm sure the majority of the residents of LIC would be dead set against it given the inconveniences it would cause on those big event days. However the LIC I remember back in the 80's and 90's is quickly disappearing; change is here. Now, it just a matter of what it will ultimately become.

NYguy · #24 Posted **Jun 24, 2021, 11:38 PM**

A stadium isn’t something that’s going to activate and bring streetlife on a daily basis. This building will have a minimal retail presence at street level. But with the large base and parking structures that this and many of the surrounding developments have, I think there was an oppurtunity for a more comprehensive planning to create more. Hudson Yards was pretty much a blank slate, but it will be activated.

Raysiri · #25 Posted **Jun 25, 2021, 12:04 AM**

It would be better if this become a Supertall since Queens never had one, it needs one like Brooklyn.

NYguy · #26 Posted **Jun 25, 2021, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Raysiri

It would be better if this become a Supertall since Queens never had one, it needs one like Brooklyn.

This will never become a supertall, as there is an FAA height limit over the area. The city had the FAA do a supertall study for several sites in LIC, all deemed inappropriate in height.

NYguy · #27 Posted **Aug 29, 2021, 7:48 PM**

FAA approval....

mrnyc · #28 Posted **Aug 30, 2021, 6:19 AM**

keep hope alive for queens — maybe flushing gets a supertall one day!

i know, i know, one wouldn’t be allowed there either, but maybe someone will try.

chris08876 · #29 Posted **Aug 30, 2021, 1:39 PM**

Flushing is great. Very dense and its own mini city in every respect. Yeah with LGA, its highly unlikely but would be neat. I'd actually would like more height in the Bronx. That would add a very interesting dynamic to the skyline.

I really think the future of this city is in the Bronx and in Queens. These boroughs will continue to impress and we should expect an acceleration of building activity in these respective boroughs.

NYguy · #30 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 1:51 AM**

Crane will reach 956 ft....

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...045901&row=203

chris08876 · #31 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 2:19 AM**

This is great news. Also LIC has lately seen some nice permit activity, in general. Returning to the boom town that it was if this keeps up!

BuildThemTaller · #32 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 1:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris08876

This is great news. Also LIC has lately seen some nice permit activity, in general. Returning to the boom town that it was if this keeps up!

Did it ever slow down in the last decade?

NYguy · #33 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 5:50 PM**

Brooklyn gets a nice, new signature tower that’s celebrated with the borough’s name proudly attached to it. Queens gets another anonymous, glass box, and it’s just the way things are. It reminds me of that scene in The King of Staten Island. Brooklyn gets all the cool stuff. There’s no reason, with all that construction, Queens shouldn’t be getting something nicer.

Busy Bee · #34 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 6:57 PM**

Sven is kinda nice. That could have been just a glass slab, at least its a curved glass slab.

BuildThemTaller · #35 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

Brooklyn gets a nice, new signature tower that’s celebrated with the borough’s name proudly attached to it. Queens gets another anonymous, glass box, and it’s just the way things are. It reminds me of that scene in The King of Staten Island. Brooklyn gets all the cool stuff. There’s no reason, with all that construction, Queens shouldn’t be getting something nicer.

Queens hosted the World's Fair. That, and we have better museums. They can have a slightly taller tower. We have better views, anyway.

NYguy · #36 Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 9:09 PM**

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Queens hosted the World's Fair. That, and we have better museums. They can have a slightly taller tower. We have better views, anyway.

Well, the towers are largely forgettable garbage (as they have been in BK, but that’s changing). The Williamsburgh for years has been respectable in Brooklyn, but Queens really has no great skyscrapers. Citibank was only the tallest in Queens, and while largely visible, not postcard worthy. It’s time Queens got something nice, not just another building to hold the “tallest” title.

NYguy · #37 Posted **Jan 29, 2022, 3:19 AM**

No surprise here...

https://sunnysidepost.com/long-islan...n-sales-report

Long Island City Condo Market Breaks Record in 2021, Reaches Nearly $1 Billion in Sales: Report

Jan. 27, 2022
By Christian Murray

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The Long Island City condo market in 2021 was its strongest on record—with sales volume reaching nearly $1 billion, about three times the previous record set in 2019, according to a new report.

There were 885 units sold in 2021, with a dollar value of $995 million. The number smashed the 2019 sales volume record of $385 million, when 336 condos were sold.

These findings are part of the 2021 Long Island City Condominium Report released by Patrick W. Smith, an independent real estate analyst and Long Island City-based agent affiliated with The Corcoran Group.

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“The Long Island City market did extremely well in 2021 because sellers priced their units competitively and the demand for Long Island City continues to grow,” said Patrick W. Smith, the author of the report. “Long Island City also remains at a significant discount to Manhattan.”

Smith said that the market also benefited from low interest rates and a stock market that has surged over the past two years. He also said that the job market was particularly strong for many of the buyers who work in the tech, finance and legal industries.

He said that Long Island City’s popularity continues to increase as new stores and businesses come to the area—such as Trader Joe’s on Jackson Avenue—and its waterfront parks gain greater recognition.

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The new development market across Long Island City outperformed, with the average sales price on the 728 units sold coming in at $1,134,000 in 2021, up from $1,048,000 in 2020 when 270 units changed hands.

The average increase can be attributed, in part, to the Skyline Tower development, a 67-story luxury condo building with 802 units at 3 Court Square. Closings in the building began in 2021—and 332 sales were recorded, accounting for $415 million in sales volume. The average price paid for a condo in the Skyline Tower—based on closed data– was $1,251,000 million, pushing up the numbers for the overall market.

Excluding the Skyline Tower, the average price paid for a new development condo in 2021 was $1,036,000. This figure was slightly less that the average price paid for a new development condo in 2020.

Smith said that 33 percent of the buyers in the Skyline Tower were cash buyers, compared to 17 percent for the rest of the Long Island City market. He said that 70 additional units are under contract—based on StreetEasy data—and that other units may be under contract that have not yet been reported.

“The overall number of sales and dollar value is very impressive,” Smith said in reference to the Skyline Tower. He said that the dollar volume in the Skyline Tower alone was greater than the entire market in previous years.

Ahoi · #38 Posted **Mar 6, 2022, 1:15 PM**

Per Yimby

https://newyorkyimby.com/2022/03/exc...land-city.html

chris08876 · #39 Posted **Mar 6, 2022, 2:12 PM**

^^^^

Merged your post into the existing thread Ahoi.

On a side note, excellent news!

BuildThemTaller · #40 Posted **Mar 6, 2022, 5:40 PM**

I walked past this site earlier today and saw scaffolding going up around the warehouse. Might be a while before they start digging, but progress is nice to see.