NHL Thread: Season 2018-2019 - Page 112

JHikka · #**2221** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

On a positive note, for the Jets, with one less defenceman on the market the price to trade for Trouba increased a little.

The price for Trouba ended up being Pionk and the Jets' own first rounder back.

Mrs Sauga · #**2222** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:08 AM**

Fleeced

esquire · #**2223** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 1:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

The price for Trouba ended up being Pionk and the Jets' own first rounder back.

I guess it's not surprising that this trade has triggered some serious fan outrage.

I'm no GM, but the thing I don't get here is why the Jets didn't hang on to Trouba until the trade deadline when you know someone would have given up at least a little more than what they ended up getting.

But that said, what could Cheveldayoff do? Trouba's contract was ending and he didn't want to be in Winnipeg pretty much from the outset (for reasons that have never really been made clear), so he was going to go for a song no matter what.

Unless Chevy pulls a rabbit out of a hat quickly, the Jets defence is shaping up to be a major liability heading into next season. Byfuglien isn't getting any younger either...

drew · #**2224** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 1:50 PM**

Trouba got traded for rental value.

It's too bad, but this is because he and his agent (reportedly) refused to discuss contract extension talk with any of the teams interested in him.

So the Jets had three options:

1) trade him for rental value
2) keep him for 2/3's of the season and trade him for a similar package at the trade deadline (hope he doesn't get injured or play like shit)
3) use him like a rental for the entire season and have him walk when he hits UFA.

It's fairly obvious he wants to hit UFA and have his pick in where he goes (to a team in Florida). It's possible he signs an extension with NYR, but he wasn't going to be signing anywhere in Canada.

optimusREIM · #**2225** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Trouba got traded for rental value.

It's too bad, but this is because he and his agent (reportedly) refused to discuss contract extension talk with any of the teams interested in him.

So the Jets had three options:

1) trade him for rental value
2) keep him for 2/3's of the season and trade him for a similar package at the trade deadline (hope he doesn't get injured or play like shit)
3) use him like a rental for the entire season and have him walk when he hits UFA.

It's fairly obvious he wants to hit UFA and have his pick in where he goes (to a team in Florida). It's possible he signs an extension with NYR, but he wasn't going to be signing anywhere in Canada.

Basically my thoughts too. People are losing it going it's a terrible trade. Yeah, it is a terrible trade, but you know what's worse? Letting him walk for nothing.

His agent is a prick of unequalled proportions if he did indeed refuse to sign in any trade destinations and prevent the Jets from getting market.

Given the circumstances, I say good riddance, at least in terms of Kurt Overhardt. Man I hate that guy.

esquire · #**2226** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Basically my thoughts too. People are losing it going it's a terrible trade. Yeah, it is a terrible trade, but you know what's worse? Letting him walk for nothing.

His agent is a prick of unequalled proportions if he did indeed refuse to sign in any trade destinations and prevent the Jets from getting market.

Given the circumstances, I say good riddance, at least in terms of Kurt Overhardt. Man I hate that guy.

How is option B on drew's list not the best choice? You get the benefit of Trouba for most of the season and then sell at a time when someone might be desperate enough to give up a little more than Pionk and a 20th pick.

But on the other hand, it is a somewhat complicated situation... the Jets reportedly refused to let other teams talk to Trouba to get a sense of his long term intentions which apparently reduced his value, and I'm not sure if cap issues played into it as well.

DoubleK · #**2227** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 2:47 PM**

Not really sure what the Jets were meant to do, they found themselves in a pretty bad situation. Trouba didn't want to be there.

drew · #**2228** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

How is option B on drew's list not the best choice? You get the benefit of Trouba for most of the season and then sell at a time when someone might be desperate enough to give up a little more than Pionk and a 20th pick.

But on the other hand, it is a somewhat complicated situation... the Jets reportedly refused to let other teams talk to Trouba to get a sense of his long term intentions which apparently reduced his value, and I'm not sure if cap issues played into it as well.

The gamble is that Trouba gets hurt, or plays down his value.

If he gets hurt, you lose him for potentially zero compensation.

The other thing here is continuing to have a guy on the team that doesn't want to be there, and how that impacts the other players.

Also, I don't think it was the Jets that refused to let Trouba talk to other teams. Other teams know (or should know) where Trouba was willing to go, and who he was willing to sign extensions with. That severely limits the return on him. Plus his agent is a monumental asshat.

theman23 · #**2229** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 4:41 PM**

I'm guessing the Jets don't see next year as part of their window, because losing their top D for scraps is going to hurt a team that already didn't look as good as they should have last year.

drew · #**2230** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 6:11 PM**

^ It's gonna hurt for sure, but the Leafs demonstrated last year that you only need one top pairing defensemen out of 6 to be somewhat successful.

The Jets still have Morrissey and Buff under contract, so all hope is not lost.

Calgarian · #**2231** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 6:58 PM**

The Jets should be able to land a good free agent D man, they will be fine.

Andy6 · #**2232** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

I'm guessing the Jets don't see next year as part of their window, because losing their top D for scraps is going to hurt a team that already didn't look as good as they should have last year.

He’s not really all that great. He has his moments but he’s not a guy with a high hockey IQ.

suburbanite · #**2233** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

The Jets should be able to land a good free agent D man, they will be fine.

Who? The D market right now is Tyler Myers and Gardiner.

Maybe Stralman too but he's already showing serious signs of decline.

Andy6 · #**2234** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbanite

Who? The D market right now is Tyler Myers and Gardiner.

Maybe Stralman too but he's already showing serious signs of decline.

The Jets need to sign their forwards. They can and will go with more of a no-name defence, given that they have no cap space. Trouba wasn’t much defensively, anyway.

Mrs Sauga · #**2235** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

How is option B on drew's list not the best choice? You get the benefit of Trouba for most of the season and then sell at a time when someone might be desperate enough to give up a little more than Pionk and a 20th pick.

But on the other hand, it is a somewhat complicated situation... the Jets reportedly refused to let other teams talk to Trouba to get a sense of his long term intentions which apparently reduced his value, and I'm not sure if cap issues played into it as well.

A contending team cannot trade their #1D weeks before the playoffs.

Andy6 · #**2236** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mrs Sauga

A contending team cannot trade their #1D weeks before the playoffs.

If Trouba had ever been the Jets’ #1 D they wouldn’t have been in contention.

drew · #**2237** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mrs Sauga

A contending team cannot trade their #1D weeks before the playoffs.

Morrissey and Buff are both ahead of Trouba.

Calgarian · #**2238** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 1:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbanite

Who? The D market right now is Tyler Myers and Gardiner.

Maybe Stralman too but he's already showing serious signs of decline.

The UFA market is a bit thin right now, maybe they can work something into a trade. I think it was TSN that was saying Winnipeg should make a move for Hamilton. Anyway, the point is there are lots of options, and the Jets are a good team right now, so they should be able to make something happen.

DoubleK · #**2239** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 3:23 PM**

That Hayes contract is mind-blowingly bad.

WTF is Philly thinking?!

Biff · #**2240** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

But on the other hand, it is a somewhat complicated situation... the Jets reportedly refused to let other teams talk to Trouba to get a sense of his long term intentions which apparently reduced his value, and I'm not sure if cap issues played into it as well.

Apparently it was Trouba's agent Kurt Overhardt that told the Jets that Trouba would only sign an extension in a couple of cities (NYR was the main one). Otherwise he would just sit out if traded somewhere else.

The Jets really had no move - glad to be rid of Overhardt.