HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Proposals


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #201  
Old Posted Mar 14, 2016, 7:53 PM
Knight Hospitaller's Avatar
Knight Hospitaller Knight Hospitaller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Greater Philadelphia
Posts: 2,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by Downburst View Post
^I'm (unfortunately) very unfamiliar with Philadelphia. Where is Schuylkill Yards in relation to those plans?
Pretty much the part of the outlined "study area" in the link above that is NOT over the railroad tracks.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #202  
Old Posted Mar 14, 2016, 9:00 PM
dab dab is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidphilly View Post
Not sure if anyone posted these but thee came in an email reminder for the Open House for the rail yards (capping) open house this Wed.

Updated plan summery
http://static1.squarespace.com/stati....03_PUBLIC.pdf


Summary of initial feedback
http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...inal_Small.pdf
excuse my ignorance, but is it not possible to cap the Powelton yard as well, or is the best we could ever hope for is pedestrian bridges? Was just looking at the View32 thread and it dawned on me that even after the proposed capping that those handful of blocks near Drexel would still be a bit walled off because of that yard.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #203  
Old Posted Mar 14, 2016, 9:14 PM
Urbanthusiat's Avatar
Urbanthusiat Urbanthusiat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: South Philly
Posts: 1,148
Quote:
Originally Posted by dab View Post
excuse my ignorance, but is it not possible to cap the Powelton yard as well, or is the best we could ever hope for is pedestrian bridges? Was just looking at the View32 thread and it dawned on me that even after the proposed capping that those handful of blocks near Drexel would still be a bit walled off because of that yard.
I hope it is possible for lightweight, woodframe construction of rowhomes along the edges. You could make some pretty expensive houses given the location, and I think it would serve to integrate the neighborhood better.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #204  
Old Posted Mar 14, 2016, 11:46 PM
summersm343's Avatar
summersm343 summersm343 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 13,611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Downburst View Post
^I'm (unfortunately) very unfamiliar with Philadelphia. Where is Schuylkill Yards in relation to those plans?
If you look at the renderings of this Schuylkill Yards proposal, do you see the large rail yards to the right of the planned development in these renderings?




These are rail yards for SEPTA and Amtrak. The plan is to have Schuylkill yards development completed in 20 years by 2036, and have the rail yards capped over and completely developed in 34 years by 2050.

In this rendering below, there are train tracks running down the middle. Everything to the left is this Schuylkill Yards development, plus a few other developments like the planned Cira II office tower. Everything to the right is the massing for the eventual buildings and parks that will cap those rail yards.



Again, in this rendering, everything south of the train tracks is the Schuylkill Yards proposal, everything north of the tracks is the eventual capping of the rail yards:

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #205  
Old Posted Mar 15, 2016, 1:53 PM
Downburst's Avatar
Downburst Downburst is offline
Bostonian
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 159
^Summers, that's exceptionally helpful, thank you.

Obviously I need to get down to your fair city soon!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #206  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 3:40 PM
Arch+Eng's Avatar
Arch+Eng Arch+Eng is offline
Arch. Engineer+Developer
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: PHL
Posts: 348
Final draft of this will be made from the final meeting today (3-16-16) from 4p - 7p.

I cannot make it, but we need some development geeks there to persuade for a full capping, and to make sure they aren't trying to reduce the scope of this plan..

http://www.phillydistrict30.com/upco...street-station

Somebody Go!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #207  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 3:47 PM
Knight Hospitaller's Avatar
Knight Hospitaller Knight Hospitaller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Greater Philadelphia
Posts: 2,508
^^^ While we all want full capping, just a bit more connection on the southwest portion would go a long way to filling the Powelton Yard void. Of the four exposed sections of track, there was a park over the southern-most one in the draft immediately preceding this one. Now there's no connection south of Drexel Park (but for the two proposed pedestrian bridges). Looking at the plan, it seems to me that putting money and effort into capping the area between the two pedestrian bridges would be all that is needed to fully link this to the adjacent neighborhood, if we can't get full capping anytime soon.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #208  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 3:56 PM
Arch+Eng's Avatar
Arch+Eng Arch+Eng is offline
Arch. Engineer+Developer
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: PHL
Posts: 348
There are only about (3) places to drive into this new neighborhood. (2) of which are lining Drexel Park where kids will be playing...BRILLIANT!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #209  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 4:12 PM
hammersklavier's Avatar
hammersklavier hammersklavier is offline
Your 2016 AAC Champs!
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Polis Philou Adelfou
Posts: 5,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arch+Eng View Post
There are only about (3) places to drive into this new neighborhood. (2) of which are lining Drexel Park where kids will be playing...BRILLIANT!
I count five:

-2 on Spring Garden
-2 by Drexel Park
-1 at 30th and Arch

That said, I do agree that isn't enough. I know the reason why they're not extending Arch and you can't really argue with it ... but what about Race? It's already "close enough" that the grading shouldn't be a problem.
__________________
Urban Rambles | Hidden City

Who knows but that, on the lower levels, I speak for you?’ (Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #210  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 4:33 PM
biguc's Avatar
biguc biguc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: pinkoland
Posts: 10,550
I'm digging all this action across the Schuykill. Starting with Cira 2, it's like good looking skyscrapers are trying to get away from Comcast.
__________________
no
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #211  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 6:25 PM
VikingDutchman VikingDutchman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arch+Eng View Post
There are only about (3) places to drive into this new neighborhood. (2) of which are lining Drexel Park where kids will be playing...BRILLIANT!
Making it difficult for drivings to get into and through is to my mind a feature, not a bug
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #212  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 7:04 PM
Randomguy34's Avatar
Randomguy34 Randomguy34 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Chicago & Philly
Posts: 1,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by biguc View Post
I'm digging all this action across the Schuykill. Starting with Cira 2, it's like good looking skyscrapers are trying to get away from Comcast.
Maybe the skyscrapers have a height complex and just want to stand out somewhere
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #213  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 7:46 PM
Arch+Eng's Avatar
Arch+Eng Arch+Eng is offline
Arch. Engineer+Developer
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: PHL
Posts: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by VikingDutchman View Post
Making it difficult for drivings to get into and through is to my mind a feature, not a bug
Maybe, But drivers are still going to drive, and kids are still going to dart out between cars after a ball.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #214  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 8:10 PM
Knight Hospitaller's Avatar
Knight Hospitaller Knight Hospitaller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Greater Philadelphia
Posts: 2,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arch+Eng View Post
Maybe, But drivers are still going to drive, and kids are still going to dart out between cars after a ball.
And trucks have to make deliveries, and people will still take cabs/Uber... If we learned anything from the transit-ways and superblocks of the seventies, it's that a lack of connection and traffic flow kills a neighborhood. This thing will be like an island in the sky if it's floating above the tracks with a few "tethers" connecting it with the rest of the city grid.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #215  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 9:55 PM
Urbanthusiat's Avatar
Urbanthusiat Urbanthusiat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: South Philly
Posts: 1,148
Anyone who is at or went to the 30th Street District plan info meeting tonight, let us know if you found out anything interesting! I'd have go if it weren't for class
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #216  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 10:06 PM
Philly-Drew's Avatar
Philly-Drew Philly-Drew is offline
Φιλαδέλφεια
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NoLibs
Posts: 1,394
I'm headed to 30th st station in a bit. I Stopped at Slainte Pub for a couple of quick drinks.

I'm wearing black jeans, black shoes, a brown leather jacket and a gray shirt. If any of you show up, keep an eye out and say hi!
__________________
"Imagine all the people, living life in peace." :Lennon
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #217  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 11:44 PM
PhilliesPhan's Avatar
PhilliesPhan PhilliesPhan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Francisville
Posts: 831
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat View Post
Anyone who is at or went to the 30th Street District plan info meeting tonight, let us know if you found out anything interesting! I'd have go if it weren't for class
I wish I could go! I'm trapped in the Lehigh Valley until Spring Break on Friday
__________________
No one outsmarts a Fox!

Temple University '18 ']['
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #218  
Old Posted Mar 16, 2016, 11:51 PM
Philly-Drew's Avatar
Philly-Drew Philly-Drew is offline
Φιλαδέλφεια
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NoLibs
Posts: 1,394
So, I just got back from the open house. There wasn't really too much new news, but I'm glad I attended. There were 26 information boards on display, and some people answering questions. There were no models or anything like that. All of the display boards are expected to be on their website tomorrow, but most of the information can already be found on this thread.

I asked if they thought this project could pilfer projects from other parts of the city. I mean, I love this proposal, but would it negatively affect other parts of the city? There was really no good answer for that.

The idea of connecting the subway underneath (The blue line) with 30th street station was getting a ton of attention. It was pretty overwhelming actually.

Nothing else to report really. For some reason, I guess I expected more from the open house.
__________________
"Imagine all the people, living life in peace." :Lennon

Last edited by Philly-Drew; Mar 17, 2016 at 12:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #219  
Old Posted Mar 17, 2016, 12:03 AM
Plokoon11 Plokoon11 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,663
Just got back from the meeting. A new 1300 foot building! After waking up and realizing it was just a dream haha.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #220  
Old Posted Mar 17, 2016, 12:31 AM
hammersklavier's Avatar
hammersklavier hammersklavier is offline
Your 2016 AAC Champs!
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Polis Philou Adelfou
Posts: 5,783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller View Post
And trucks have to make deliveries, and people will still take cabs/Uber... If we learned anything from the transit-ways and superblocks of the seventies, it's that a lack of connection and traffic flow kills a neighborhood. This thing will be like an island in the sky if it's floating above the tracks with a few "tethers" connecting it with the rest of the city grid.
There are significant grade concerns and that will muck with connectivity.

Unless you want to regrade 32nd all the way from Market to Powelton, you're not getting Race all the way across the railroad tracks as a full street. It might look flat, but there's a short section of intolerable grade right before you hit the intersection. That's why it's planned to be a pedestrian walkway: you can use a stairway with an embedded ramp for that short stretch of steep grade.

That also implies that Summer Street would be the first possible full street easement all the way across the Powelton Yards. The problem with that, though, is that Summer is a narrow interstitial street (but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a service way!).

Any cap over the bottom of Powelton Yards will be a full forty feet higher than JFK. That is one of the site's most significant long-term challenges. The planners have elected instead of link the bottom to the station area and the top to Mantua and Powelton Village, leaving the part of the yards with the greatest grade and landing challenges to be developed last.

I did gather one interesting little tidbit from the Brandywine rep (sorry, Philly-Drew, I was there when Jim Saksa and the Sic Transit Philly guy were there -- too early for you): the 950' tower is planned to be the last part of Phase 1. And that is precisely because Drexel needs to move its engineering labs before it can happen.
__________________
Urban Rambles | Hidden City

Who knows but that, on the lower levels, I speak for you?’ (Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man)
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Proposals
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:38 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.