Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by UTAZLoVer

reminds me of a better version of Vestar's Desert Ridge or Tempe Marketplace's here in Phoenix.

They have similar designs with the big box retail on the perimeter and a specialty shopping "mall" in the center capped by a large movie theater. They even have (so far) similar tenant mixes!

See check it out:





That's how they are similar. The reason I say Station Park is a better or improved version is because they are placing office space above the retail (Vestar's development's are primarily single-story), and because it has direct access to a mass transit line - huge plus!!

Although the design is far from perfect, it certainly is a step in the right direction and hopefully those steps will keep being taken with each new development along the Wasatch Front. Even the suburbs are beginning to take some cues, and that's a nice thing to see.

Dude! Why did you have to ruin it?? I can now no longer say that Station Park is unlike anything I've ever seen.

[UTAZLoVer]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Look at you being all sorts of positive on this project
While I sit here and be sinacle about the whole thing.

Lol. Well don't get me wrong I could certainly tear it apart on many levels. But in the end its necessary to take a step back and realize that even your suburban big box ill-planned shopping centers are starting to be better than those in development around the rest of the country.

I cringe at the vast parking lot and lack of residential, but we can't forget that shopping centers do have the ability to morph, change and adapt through time, like the Gateway is starting to and probably will continue to. Even when Station Park is built as is currently planned, this piece of land still holds a lot of potential for its developer and for the residents of Farmington.

Namely, at first I was the most confused and disheartend by the fact that there was nearly NOTHING focused around the actual Frontrunner stop at all on the site plan. But after thinking about it for a while, I think it's very possible that the developer purposefully left this portion of the parcel as open parking to reserve it for future residential development once the rest of the development is up and running and hopefully financing is easier to procure for a residential addtion. I think this especially plausible considering the original plans did call for residential but were nixed after market concerns. The fact that they even had residential in the plans at one point demonstrates that they are open to and possibly even still desiring to have it as a component of Station Park at some point.

Imagine condos and apartments fronting the commuter rail station with groundfloor retail serving as a gateway into the central shopping district of Station Park. Could be really cool down the road, and the parking around the station makes it possible.

Hell if they don't develop it down the road, you and I Future Mayor can slap together a proposal to develop it for them!

So yeah, I guess you could say I'm trying to look at the development in a positive light. At worst, even sans residential, it's still better than Vestar's similar "amazing" developments here in Phoenix. Lol. So many people here have no clue what good development is.

Cheers!!

[UTAZLoVer]

Here I took my thinkpad to sketch out a possibility. Lol kinda took it overboard as I doubt they'd throw in this much residential (I wish!) but at least by the station up there!!



Waddya say??

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by UTAZLoVer

Here I took my thinkpad to sketch out a possibility. Lol kinda took it overboard as I doubt they'd throw in this much residential (I wish!) but at least by the station up there!!



Waddya say??

I really like it. Here's my version done in the wonderful program of MS Paint.
I just built off yours. Brown = Parking; Yellow = Residential; Maroon = Office

[T-Mac]

Millrock Office Buildings










Millcreek Terrace





Cottonwood Mall

[RFPCME]

T-Mac: The pictures of the Cottonwood Mall (or where it used to be) are unbelievable! I especially like the one with the white, tube steel (part of a Mall upgrade, if I remember correctly in the early 90's) sticking out of the piles of rubble. Amazing.

[RFPCME]

UTAZLoVer & Future Mayor: As we say in the South, "Yawl got it goin' on!" Your mods to the proposed Station Crossing development are vast improvements.

UTAZLoVer, I believe you're right...I think the developer purposefully left the area adjacent to the FrontRunner station vacant, hoping the residential market will improve. And the improvement in that area may happen rather fast if the Cyber Command goes in at Hill. Should know by the first of the year, or sooner. If that happens, there will not be enough residential in Davis County. Considering Station Crossing is less than 10 miles away (as the crow flies) from the south gate at Hill AFB and is on the FrontRunner line, that property is incredibly valuable.

[urbanboy]

I was thinking something more like this:



Or this:

[delts145]

Utah offers incentives to lure jobs to the Wasatch Front. Long list of relocations keeps on expanding.

Based on just this week's Friday offers alone, the Wasatch would be adding an additional 850 jobs, many of which are twice the surrounding median.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...244287,00.html

[delts145]

It is encourageing that in these tough economic times nationally, that this Station Park project is continually signing additional major tenants, who wouldn't even consider expansion at the moment in most other locales. I also get the feeling that the part of this huge project that we do like," The village set-up," is going to use a more attractive and varied mateirials on their building's exteriors than much of Gateway. I think it's pretty obvious that Sation Park is going to evolve into something far more urban and exciting than it's initial Phase.

I know for a fact that what is happening with The Cottonwood and CCC is affecting Gateway's line of thinking on materials. The timing is not quite there yet, but soon, we will be able to e-mail certain people at Gateway and site actual, physical, local examples of how Gateway should tweak some of their exteriors.

Farmington project to break ground

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...244377,00.html

FARMINGTON —
...So far, the preliminary tenant list is impressive: a 16-screen Cinemark movie theater, Best Buy, Barnes and Noble, J.C. Penney, Ross, Staples, Petco, Lane Bryant, Sports Authority and Bed, Bath & Beyond, all within walking distance of the FrontRunner parking lot.

CenterCal is in negotiations with other retail and restaurant tenants, some of whom will be new to Utah, Trottier said. The economy is making it challenging, since many companies have scaled back expansion plans, but the Station Park amenities are helping CenterCal continue to sign new deals.

...There will also be office space leased in the center. And once complete, the $200 million-plus center will include a 130-room, six-story hotel, about 60 shops and 10 to 15 restaurants.

...Station Park's location will contribute to its success, Harbertson said, because it's located where I-15, Legacy Parkway, U.S. Highway 89 and FrontRunner come together.

...It's also trying to create a downtown village atmosphere similar to what people find in Salt Lake's Gateway shopping mall, with fountains, trees, outdoor dining and performance areas.

But Station Park will outdo The Gateway in features, design elements and atmosphere, Trottier said.

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[delts145]

'Megapolitans' may be facing mega troubles

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...3,00.html?pg=2

According to a newly released report from the Brookings Institute studying the growth and potential impact of the Wasatch Front, Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas and Albuquerque "megapolitan" regions, the Intermountain West is America's new, new frontier. But it won't survive unless it pulls together — and gets some help from the federal government.

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[delts145]

Park City - Newpark Amphitheater prepares for grand opening

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_9925584?source=most_viewed

Organizers say the 50,000 square-foot amphitheater will feature outdoor patios where diners can eat, drink and enjoy free concerts. The venue's size puts it somewhere between smaller stages on Main Street and Quarry Village and larger stages at Deer Valley and The Canyons resort.

Planners say the amphitheater will be the green center to an urban development that they hope will resemble the Gateway in Salt Lake City.

Newpark spokesman Chris Retzer said one of the keys for the development was to create a community core that meets office, residential and entertainment needs. "Land is expensive and the community puts a premium on open space," he said. "When you have a mixed-use development you're minimizing your footprint. You're going vertical instead of sprawling."


Newpark Hotel...


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[Orlando]

[QUOTE=RFPCME;3670010]

Maybe Salt Lake could replicate the example...not with saltwater fish, because those creatures don't have much connection to the local environment. But possibly with other strange and wonderful creatures, who are spotted occasionally in the area. Salt Lake could build somewhere downtown a liberarium, where all different sorts of liberals are encased in glass enclosures (where they can't hurt any one) that replicate their natural environments. One tank could be a jazz club, dense with cigarette smoke. Another could be a used book store. Another, a union hall. One could even be what the local Democratic Party Headquarters would look like, if there were a Democratic Party in Utah.

I'm sure the oddity of these creatures and their habitats would attract some visitors, people who would be mesmerized by the sights and sounds of creatures they had only read about but never seen before.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)QUOTE]

[SLC Projects]

Project on 4500 South
UTA buys building, land in Murray
City won't reap any tax dollars from sale, but mayor says, 'You have to go with the flow'

Murray funneled redevelopment dollars to the Fireclay project under construction near 4500 South, counting on making back all that money - and more - once the shops, offices, condos and town homes open.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9956516

[SLC Projects]

Sports complex
Youth-soccer backers hope Salt Lake County kicks in funding


Article Last Updated: 07/22/2008 08:44:34 AM MDT

(The Salt Lake Tribune)
Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon may have been against giving county funds to Real Salt Lake's $110 million stadium, but he's willing to support another RSL soccer project - one that will provide some kicking room for kids.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9956515

[ski_steve]

New architectural designs emerging for public schools

By Ben Fulton
The Salt Lake Tribune

Gary Payne remembers well the directive he received in his first job as an architect in 1983 when it came to designing public schools.
"You build a school like you would build a prison," Payne said.
For years they were. Corridors were dark, narrow, and numerous. Classrooms were uniform, and often windowless. Brick was the building material of choice.
It was the "kids on a grid" model of school architecture and design.
Then, as a facilities administrator for the Davis School District in 1996, Payne noticed that principals kept asking for design changes. After listening to suggestions from students, teachers, parents and school administrators, Payne and others in his department realized the district's long-standing design prototype was obsolete...

Davis High School

Designshare.com

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9958049?source=rss

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by stevena07

"You build a school like you would build a prison," Payne said.

That's exactly how the school I teach at is set up. It's horribly depressing. Luckily I'm there to keep things going.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Sports complex
Youth-soccer backers hope Salt Lake County kicks in funding


Article Last Updated: 07/22/2008 08:44:34 AM MDT

(The Salt Lake Tribune)
Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon may have been against giving county funds to Real Salt Lake's $110 million stadium, but he's willing to support another RSL soccer project - one that will provide some kicking room for kids.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9956515

So, The Wasatch is about to inaugurate what the president of the MLS called the finest soccer stadium in the nation. BYU just opened a top college soccer specific field, stands, and has made major committments to it's future program. Now all S.L. County parties are pushing in unison for this outstanding soccer complex for the kids, and Real will soon implement a pretigious academy of soccer for 200-300 soccer prodigies, from which it will have first dibs. Oh, and Real is in first in the West. Not a bad year for soccer along the Wasatch.

What do ya think Projects? I know you want to say, "I told you so." LOL.

What about RSL's soccer academy?

An elite soccer academy will be sculpting the minds and bodies of promising young athletes in 2010, Real Salt Lake owner Dave Checketts said recently in an interview.
Checketts wants RSL's academy built in Salt Lake City, but the team's $45 million stadium deal with the state and Sandy requires only that one be built in Utah. The franchise has been eyeing Salt Lake City's planned youth sports complex as a likely site. There, the team could take advantage of practice fields and a 7,500-seat venue.
The academy, which would receive support from soccer powerhouse Real Madrid, needs to be "up and running in some form in 2010" to keep RSL "competitive," Checketts said. The facility would house 200 to 300 soccer recruits, ages 12 to 17, from around the world and provide a high school education. RSL would have first rights to players it develops.
- Rosemary Winters

[UTPlanner]

I just wanted to put in my two cents about Station Park. I really enjoyed looking at the alternative designs submitted. There is a lot of undeveloped ground in that area. I was up there last week going to see the county recorder in Farmington. I think that you will see improvements as the residential market sees an upturn. Thanks for the submittals. I not only enjoyed looking at them but I may have started sketching out my own. I'm glad that there are other guys that are just as geeky as I am out there.

[urbanboy]

We'd love to see them!