noirish Los Angeles

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I won't watch colorized black and white movies (I think it's wrong in so many ways) but the colorization works well in this instance.

I have the B&W and colorized versions of two of my favorite Christmas movies - 'It's a Wonderful Life' and 'Miracle on 34th Street'. They did a pretty good job colorizing them, but I still tend to watch the B&W versions.

Originally Posted by Pescara

with a "sort of" classic Rover P6 in the forecourt........

They nearly restored one of these in season 15 of the Motor Trend show 'Wheeler Dealers', but the 1971 example they found in Sonoma was too far gone and they bought a 1972 Lancia Fulvia instead.

[odinthor]

I was looking at the PE track route in connection with a recent posting. This perhaps unprepossessing house at 7148 Marshfield Way caught my attention.


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It evidently started out as a two-story, as there’s a building permit dated 8/6/1917 to remove its second story.

It had some excitement one yuletide:


LA Times, 12/24/1924

which the Times deemed worthy of a picture:


LA Times, 12/24/1924

But one thing led to another:


LA Times, 12/25/1924

Before we leave, I'll add that, the Times mentions, just a few years later, a lady who had attended every Tournament of Roses parade since its beginning as residing at the address. In latter years, she missed the Chinese Dragon which had been part of the parade in earlier years.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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I liked that tree too, Martin Pal. (even though someone butchered the top of it )
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Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? (odinthor?)

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Hmmm, e_r . . . The trunk looks like that of the California Pepper (Schinus molle), as does the graceful way in which the smaller twigs weep; but I spy rather large leaves here and there, which don't fit that species. It could be that some ivy is growing in the California Pepper, and festooning down among the Pepper's own branches.

[ethereal_reality]

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Just what I thought.


I'm kidding. I had no idea.


Thanks for the excellent description, odinthor.
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[Lwize]

Whatever tree that is, the tree trimmer did a hack job on it.

[riichkay]

A young family poses with their Caddy, 1951, no other info provided....I'm fairly certain that's a '51 Cal. orange-on-black plate.

Of course this can be elsewhere in the state, but I get the distinct vibe of a newly-minted 1950ish L.A. suburb....unfortunately we only have the street number to work with.

So a tough i.d., but this forum has been remarkable on these....I recently posted a dubious L.A. identified photo, GaylordWilshire ran down the corner....in St. Paul MN!!!....no idea how he did that.....

It's likely the family is in front of their home at 7425 (?) St., they probably pulled the car out of the driveway to show off the streetscape....the 1950 census has been released, it's in the process of being collated to where it is searchable....so, down the road (if we get the street name) we can likely identify these folks with a fair degree of confidence....

[Martin Pal]

Anyone know what kind of car is on the left?

Why do you suppose the family doesn't look so pleased with this endeavor? Or maybe the photographer is taking too long and they have this hurry it up, look.

Also, they come out for a photograph...no one else on the street...but a shirtless (?) man comes out from next door and becomes part of the famiiy photo. Heh!

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

.I won't watch colorized black and white movies (I think it's wrong in so many ways) but the colorization works well in this instance.
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It's interesting that when colorization first appeared in the 80's, the reception from almost all quarters was positive. Then some well-known directors, like Scorcese and Allen for two examples, began to complain about it, but over time it is still being done.

When I was growing up we didn't have a color TV for most of that time, so I grew up watching color TV series and movies in b&w and in the 70's and beyond discovered a lot of those things again anew in color, so, to me, colorizing something doesn't seem like that big a deal. It's just another way to see a film or TV series that one likes in a different way. (Conversely, I have watched some films I've liked in b&w, turning off the color, just to see what they've looked like that way. I've also watched some film favorites that I am really familiar with in different languages for the same reasons.)

Also, colorizing has immensely improved since the 80's. The first aired colorized version of Miracle on 34th Street on TV wasn't very good. Like HossC, I have a set of the b&w and colorized Miracle on 34th Street and the redone version is really good and every year I gravitate more toward that one.

Colorization has also been used to good effect in documentaries, like Peter Jackson's WWI film, They Shall Not Grow Old. Which brings up why many people are against colorization because it wasn't originally made that way, but have absolutely no problem with film makers retooling the silent film speeds to look more natural, or redoing the sound on dozens or hundreds of old movies because they can make it sound better. Or using computers to align the 3-strip technicolor movies to be seen in a way no audiences did when they were originally released.

And who can argue that colorizing historical photos doesn't give them new life, new perspectives and an intimacy that b&w does not?

99 Stunning Colorized Photos That Breathe New Life Into The Past
https://allthatsinteresting.com/colorized-photos

Yes, I would never watch a b&w film I hadn't seen before colorized the first time I saw it.

[odinthor]

In re: riichkay's post above:

7425 addresses go with an area of Buena Park to the west of Knott's Berry Farm. One notices in the pic that there are no sidewalks. I recall from personal observation in ye olden tymes that some developments in this area indeed did not have sidewalks (which intrigued me at the time), though I believe that by now they all have sidewalks. The general æsthetic works for the location of the photo being one of these Buena Park 7425s . . .

[HossC]

Originally Posted by riichkay

A young family poses with their Caddy, 1951, no other info provided....I'm fairly certain that's a '51 Cal. orange-on-black plate.

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Anyone know what kind of car is on the left?

My guess would be a 1950/51 Plymouth Suburban. Here's the one in Jay Leno's garage:

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[HossC]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Colorization has also been used to good effect in documentaries, like Peter Jackson's WWI film, They Shall Not Grow Old.

A great example - I'm part of a WWI remembrance group, and Peter Jackson's film was very well received.

[CaliNative]

Do any films exist of the Graf Zeppelin's Los Angeles flyover and stop on it's 1929 round the world trip? My mother who was 9 at the time of the flyover told me of seeing the huge cigar shaped airship moving in and out of the clouds on its way to docking near what is now LAX. My mother lived near Slauson in south L.A. at the time. I have seen many still photos, but no films (silent or sound) of the L.A. flyover or stop. The flyover and stop got lots of press, but where are the films, in the "film capitol" no less?

[Noir_Noir]

Short clip of the Graf Zeppelin landing in Los Angeles at the 8mins:52secs mark in this video.

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Footage taken on the ground during the Los Angeles stopover.

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[Martin Pal]

I watched a 1951 film titled He Ran All the Way that had some location footage at the "Nu Pike Amusement Park in Long Beach" and also some streets in "Downtown Los Angeles" including one scene with City Hall in the background.

Originally Posted by riichkay

A young family poses with their Caddy, 1951, no other info provided....I'm fairly certain that's a '51 Cal. orange-on-black plate.
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I also watched a film last night, Meet Danny Wilson (1952), described in a New Yorker article this month as a film noir musical, that had this exact same car in one of the scenes that drive Danny Wilson to a theatre he's appearing in and his fans mob the car as it arrives in the alley.

[Ossrae]

Hi. I'm wondering what happened to the Carrara marble lion statues that "guarded" the entrance to Castle Sans Souci in Hollywood after the building and grounds were demolished in the late 1920s. They had been brought over from Venice, where they previously "guarded" Palace of the Doges for about 150 years. I assume they weren't destroyed with the Castle's demise.



Source: https://youtu.be/DVHjWZVMuVo?t=2589



Lion visible near center at top. Source: https://youtu.be/4FfYRgtBZhU?t=684

More about the Castle and the lions here: https://silentlocations.com/2017/06/...le-sans-souci/

Thank you!

[Ossrae]

Hi. I'm wondering what happened to the Carrara marble lion statues that "guarded" the entrance to Castle Sans Souci in Hollywood after the building and grounds were demolished in the late 1920s. They had been brought over from Venice, where they previously "guarded" Palace of the Doges for about 150 years. I assume they weren't destroyed with the Castle's demise.



Source: https://youtu.be/DVHjWZVMuVo?t=2589




Lion visible near center at top. Source: https://youtu.be/4FfYRgtBZhU?t=684

More about the Castle and the lions here: https://silentlocations.com/2017/06/...le-sans-souci/

Thank you!

[ethereal_reality]

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Welcome to NLA Ossrae.

Good question! ... It would be a remarkable discovery if someone located the old San Souci marble lions.


As a reminder, Sans Souci Castle was originally known as Dr. A. G. Schloesser's Mansion.


eBay

"The mansion of Dr. A.G. Castles in Hollywood. He was originally called Dr. Alfred Guido Rudolph Schloesser, but during World War II, due to anti-German sentiment, he changed it to Dr. A.G. Castles. He also changed the name of the residence from Schloesser Terrace to Castle Sans Souci in honor of the summer residence of Frederick II."

And there's this.

"Dr. Schloesser hosted celebrities seeking rejuvenation." ...This I didn't know. I guess I forgot

From SherrifPaul's 2018 post Here


So. .um. .maybe we should check photographs of. .say. .Theda Bara's estate. . .or Gloria Swanson's. . .or Cecil DeMille's.
I definitely could see them buying the lions. They're eccentric and had the money to buy them.

File this under: A Shot in the Dark.
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[Mackerm]

Hearst Castle has statues of lions holding shields which are similar to the ones at Castle Sans Souci.



Facebook - Hearst Castle

Cast stone work on the hilltop was plentiful. Another plentiful item that is seen all throughout the estate is lions holding shields. The black and white historic image, from the 1920’s, was one of the workshops where these lions were created.

Cast stone is a type of molded concrete that closely imitates stone. This design was inspired by a Spanish 15th century stone lion that was purchased in the 1920’s from New York.

These particular lions featured in the historic image made their way up to the Celestial Suite balcony, on the 4th floor of Casa Grande.

<<historic image: Morgan collection. Cal-Poly University >>

Waymarking


Update

They look pretty much identical to these ones at a palace in Ukraine.

[odinthor]

A question prompted by riichkay's posting above with the Cadillac: Is there any online facility that matches old car license plate numbers with names (and, hopefully addresses) of their owners?

[Mackerm]

I know that after actress Rebecca Schaeffer was killed by a stalker, legislatures passed laws restricting DMV data. But there must be some way to get this information. Maybe they just added a few obstacles.