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Massive Downtown Brooklyn project will include 900 apartments, schools, cultural space
The two-tower development will pierce the skyline but bring needed public infrastructure to the neighborhood







BY ZOE ROSENBERG
APR 3, 2017


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Alloy Development has revealed a plan to bring two schools, a cultural institution, office space, retail, and 900 mixed-income apartments to a full-block site at the confluence of Boerum Hill, Downtown Brooklyn, and Fort Greene. The project, known as 80 Flatbush, was conceived of by the development company as a response to a critical need for new public infrastructure in the area, and is also a reaction to the booming local real estate market. “Downtown Brooklyn has been growing quickly but there hasn’t been a lot of public infrastructure,” Jared Della Valle, CEO of Alloy, told Curbed. “This is an opportunity to be critical of what’s built and its specific context.”

The triangular site that’s bound by Third, State, and Schermerhorn streets and Flatbush Avenue will be built out over two phases. In addition to a 38-story residential building, the first phase will include two schools—a 350-seat elementary school and a new 350-seat location for the site’s existing Khalil Gibran International Academy, which currently holds 260 seats in a building constructed in 1860 as a Civil War infirmary. The schools are expected to welcome students by 2022.

The former Civil War infirmary, however, will not be razed for the new development. “The idea that we would start fresh and wipe out the whole block was not a good proposition,” Della Valle told Curbed. He says that Alloy has been quietly approaching neighbors of the site for months, gathering intel on what kind of change they would, and would not, like to see in the neighborhood. “In order to build to this scale, there needs to be a public benefit that comes with that,” Della Valle says.

One of the biggest expressions from neighbors the firm noted is preservation of the site’s historic structures. To that end, Alloy plans to convert the existing Khalil Gibran Academy—the former Civil War infirmary—into a 15,000-square-foot cultural facility that Alloy hopes will act as an extension of the BAM Cultural District across Flatbush Avenue. An RFP will determine what will eventually come to the site, but Della Valle notes that what will be chosen will be “nothing that’s competitive with, but something that’s synergistic to” the surrounding cultural institutions.

The second of the site’s buildings that will be preserved in the new complex is at the corner of Third Avenue and Schermerhorn Street. The late 19th-century building will give way to retail space for the neighborhood and amenity space for the residential occupants. “It's rare for a developer to come to us for feedback in the earliest stages of a project,” Peg Breen, president of the New York Landmarks Conservancy, said in a statement. “This project shows that development and preservation can work together and that investing in historic buildings makes economic sense.”

To bring 900 mixed-income apartments and 200,000-square-feet of Class A office space to the neighborhood, Alloy will have to build up. In addition to the 38-story, 480-foot tower of phase one, the plan calls for a 74-story, 920-foot tower that will be home to market rate apartments, the complex’s 200 below-market rate apartments, and office space. This will be part of the project’s second phase, which is expected to be complete by 2025.

Alloy is working with the Educational Construction Fund, a state-run entity that helps fund the development of new schools in New York City, to develop the properties. Della Valle notes that the city will not be funding this project. Instead, revenue created by the non-school portions of the project will pay for the bonds floated by the state to build the schools.

“This is a meaningful investment for our students, their families and the entire school community,” Khalil Gibran’s principal Winston Hamann said in a statement. “The new state-of-the-art facilities will provide an incredible opportunity for students to learn, grow and thrive, and allow us to remain devoted to serving this wonderful community for many years to come."

Similarly, the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership is on board with the development. “This is exactly the type of project Downtown Brooklyn needs: one that delivers critically needed schools, along with cultural facilities, affordable housing and Class A office space," Regina Myer, President of the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership, said in a statement. "Downtown Brooklyn should grow intelligently, and I hope this project sets a template for the future.”


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This will be bigger than the 590 Atlantic proposal, building a nice closter along Flatbush.

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Wow, another huge project for downtown BK. Looks good, and nice to see schools and cultural facilities as part of the project.

As a nearby resident with a baby, there is serious school overcrowding in this part of BK.
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Wow, another huge project for downtown BK. Looks good, and nice to see schools and cultural facilities as part of the project.

As a nearby resident with a baby, there is serious school overcrowding in this part of BK.





Because I like aerials, a larger expanded view. At the very bottom is the site of 590 Atlantic Avenue, another major development for BK.
If they could add that to the rendering, as well as the towers that will rise just accross the Manhattan Bridge, you get another idea of just
how much the skyline is expanding.


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Another boxy square top that is hundreds of feet tall. With regards to its façade, I could not think of a worse muse than 432 Park Ave; the low standard in supertall design.
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Another boxy square top that is hundreds of feet tall. With regards to its façade, I could not think of a worse muse than 432 Park Ave; the low standard in supertall design.
I don't think it looks anything at all like 432 Park Avenue. I do like the facade of the smaller tower better. The taller tower looks more office than residential (both will have a small office component).

I love that this development is so close to transit (multiple subway lines and the LIRR), so no need for bulky parking podiums at the base. It really is a small footprint for everything involved, keeping with the density of the area..
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I don't think it looks anything at all like 432 Park Avenue. I do like the facade of the smaller tower better. The taller tower looks more office than residential (both will have a small office component).
I wasn't referring to the smaller tower I was referring to the taller one. The evenly-spaced square within a square is very much a 432 Park Avenue element and IMO its very unappealing and looks lazy no matter what material is used.
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The taller tower looks more office than residential (both will have a small office component).
This is not a bad thing. Modern residential architecture (as opposed to the days of Rosario Candela) generally sucks, unless it looks like offices with smaller floorplates. I am referring primarily to balconies.
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Another boxy square top that is hundreds of feet tall.
You haven't been to Houston... that's all we have here... boxes. with glass.


at least ya'll have much more variety.
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I love it. Sometimes with a simple move like that angled wall a building becomes so much more interesting. The materials look quality also.
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Downtown Brooklyn's architecture is creeping slowly out of the bargain basement. Still an uninspired design, but better than the garbage of the past decade.
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Downtown Brooklyn's architecture is creeping slowly out of the bargain basement. Still an uninspired design, but better than the garbage of the past decade.
I agree with that also. The design is not something to make me jump out of my seat, but the development as a whole is something to be excited about. The maturing of the area into something it should have been all along is exciting to see. I do like the twist of the tallest tower, which is what grabs the eye when you look at it.



http://www.politico.com/states/new-y...rooklyn-110965

Massive, mixed-use development planned for Downtown Brooklyn
Schools, housing, retail and office space, cultural center proposed


By SALLY GOLDENBERG
04/03/17


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A massive, mixed-use project that would reshape the Brooklyn skyline is being proposed along Flatbush Avenue, adjacent to Atlantic Terminal.

Brooklyn-based Alloy Development plans to build two new schools, 900 housing units, 200,000 square feet of Class A office space, 40,000 square feet of retail and a 15,000 square-foot cultural center. If the project is approved as proposed, one of the residential towers on the 61,400-square-foot site would stand at 920 feet, making it one of the tallest in the borough.

The project, known as 80 Flatbush, was unveiled to reporters Monday afternoon ahead of a public meeting at Brooklyn Borough Hall, where City Councilman Steve Levin and a group he convened were being briefed on the plans. The developer will need Levin's support to rezone the site.

Levin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Alloy's proposal sprung from a city request seeking plans to redevelop the Khalil Gibran International Academy on Schermerhorn Street.

Recognizing an opportunity to do more than just rehabilitate an aging school building, the company bought up surrounding sites as it drew up a far more dramatic blueprint for the area.

The school would be replaced by a more modern building that could hold 350 students, more than the 260 or so who attend Khalil Gibran, Alloy representatives said. A second elementary school on State Street would house another 350 students. Both are expected to be in operation by 2022, assuming the lengthy approval process for the rezoning gets underway this fall as planned.

Alloy CEO Jared Della Valle said the existing buildings housing Khalil Gibran students were built in the late 1800s and do not have a gymnasium or auditorium.

"It's so important that KGIA (Khalil Gibran International Academy) has the facilities that it needs for students to thrive, and we're deeply appreciative that this project will provide that," Rawaa Nancy Albilal, president and CEO of the Arab American Family Support Center, said in a statement released by Alloy.

The housing units would be rented to tenants earning a range of incomes: 700 would be rented at market-rate and 200 would be restricted to those earning, on average, 60 percent of the area median income, Della Valle said. He said he does not expect to receive any city subsidy for the rent-restricted units, but is banking on the revival of the 421-a property tax break.

The Educational Construction Fund, an arm of the city's Department of Education, is the applicant for the project.

"We remain dedicated to identifying opportunities to support aging schools and helping to create additional capacity for New York City public school students without using capital dollars," Jennifer Maldonado, executive director of the fund, said in a statement.


Alloy would not release the project's overall price tag, but Della Valle said the schools would cost about $100 million.

The city would turn over the portion of the site it owns to the developer in a 99-year ground lease, and Alloy would pay rent and other tax-equivalent fees to the city to support bonds for the construction of the schools. Della Valle did not disclose the amount in rent or other payments, saying he is "under a confidential agreement with the city."

The project would appear to meet a number of community needs, though nearly every major rezoning in the city is met with some measure of community resistance.

"There's always anxiety about development and change and all those things, but our feeling is, if every public project came with a public school or a hospital or some other need, we wouldn't be talking about that," Della Valle said. "If not here, where? It's not like we're in the middle of nowhere. We're at the intersection of Flatbush and Atlantic."



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Now this is a project that can help build the community. Has a hell of an offer with schools, culture space, 900 apartments, infrastructure improvements, and Class A space.

A lesson to other developers hint hint!

Schools and infrastructure improvements are like seroquel to a NIMBY. It just makes them happy.
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Schools and infrastructure improvements are like seroquel to a NIMBY. It just makes them happy.
I'm sure some will still come out against it when they start the approvals process. They'll make a little noise. Complain about the tower's height, etc. But like the massive tower on the Upper Eastside, its a big win for the city.

I think the tallest tower strikes a balance with 9 DeKalb. I wouldn't want a similar tower at this site. The difference in designs allows the two towers to play well off each other.
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I'm sure some will still come out against it when they start the approvals process. They'll make a little noise. Complain about the tower's height, etc. But like the massive tower on the Upper Eastside, its a big win for the city.

I think the tallest tower strikes a balance with 9 DeKalb. I wouldn't want a similar tower at this site. The difference in designs allows the two towers to play well off each other.
I agree totally... and kudos to the developers for beating the NIMBYs to the punch with an awesome educational/infrastructural element. Saving the old infirmary building too as a cultural destination... the taller one balances out with 9 DeKalb so well and great that both are not just meant for the superluxury end. It adds a little flair even if it is still kind of conservative with that twist on the taller one.Another thing to look forward too... Brooklyn isn't playing anymore!
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atlantic and flatbush is the most under utilized space in the city. Fantastic transit access, close to prospect park, lots of beautiful tree-lined brownstone-y streets and great restaurants and pubs.
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Remember back in the day the whole Atlantic Yards debate regarding the Williamsburg Bank Tower and how ONLY it should be the tallest in the borough. Fast forward 6 years and look at whats to come, and... what has risen. Borough continues to climb the ladder.
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atlantic and flatbush is the most under utilized space in the city. Fantastic transit access, close to prospect park, lots of beautiful tree-lined brownstone-y streets and great restaurants and pubs.
I agree. I always consider it to be like Penn Station in that regard.



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Remember back in the day the whole Atlantic Yards debate regarding the Williamsburg Bank Tower and how ONLY it should be the tallest in the borough. Fast forward 6 years and look at whats to come, and... what has risen. Borough continues to climb the ladder.
A lesson on why you don't listen to knee-jerk NIMBYism.
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This is a great project. However, it is a little concerning that it will need to go through ULURP to rezone the site.
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