noirish Los Angeles

[Wig-Wag]

E.R., this photo can be found on the Pacific Electric Railway site under Los Angeles Railway.

http://www.pacificelectric.org/categ...ailway/a-line/

It is a Robert T. McVay photo from the Ralph Cantos Collection and the Sowbelly is crossing over Silver Lake Boulevard on Temple Street while in service on the A-Line. It was taken in 1946 and the A-Line was abandoned on June 30, 1946. As Ed Workman pointed out in his post the Sowbellies were retired in 1947.

A quick check of Google Maps reveals that the house was replaced by commercial buildings.

Cheers,
Jack

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Any idea where this large house on the hill stood? (maybe it's still there for all I know)


old file of mine / possibly ebay

[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Paul Whiteman, "King of Jazz", arrives in Los Angeles, 1926.


ebay

On the pretext that Bix Beiderbecke – outstanding jazz trumpeter – played in the Paul Whiteman orchestra (Whiteman was commercially nicknamed the « King of Jazz ») by 1927 to 1929 and at the same time became a dreadful alcoholic, jazz critics (particularly Frenchs) have been unfairly severe to Paul Whiteman. Saying that wasn't jazz at all. They were true on that and that led a lot of musicians to dispise Whiteman without even listening to him. For sure, it is not jazz but it is a glorious popular music (perfectly played and recorded). To my French ears it is my popular american favorite. The orchestra stopped to be the best by the early Thirties.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Any idea where this large house on the hill stood? (maybe it's still there for all I know)


old file of mine / possibly ebay

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag

It is a Robert T. McVay photo from the Ralph Cantos Collection and the Sowbelly is crossing over Silver Lake Boulevard on Temple Street while in service on the A-Line. It was taken in 1946 and the A-Line was abandoned on June 30, 1946. As Ed Workman pointed out in his post the Sowbellies were retired in 1947.

A quick check of Google Maps reveals that the house was replaced by commercial buildings.

I checked Historic Aerials, and the house on the hill can be seen on the 1948 and 1952 images. The long, low building currently occupied by the Western Terminator Company appears between those two dates on the Silver Lake Boulevard side of the house. On the view below, the house would have been directly behind the Western Terminator Company building in what is now the parking lot.


GSV

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I found this photograph in an old file of mine dated 2010. The file was chock full of images I had collected (mostly from eBay).



old file/2010

You can clearly see the Hollywoodland sign in the distance so we know this is Hollywood, but I'm interested in the buildings in the foreground, closer to the camera.

All we can see of the prominent sign on the apartment building is "ADDEN". Could this be enough of a clue to figure out the location?

And I'm not sure what's going on at the bottom of the photo....is this a near empty pay-parking lot? -there appears to be a fence around it.
Also, take a look across the street at that massive white house. (or maybe it's two houses.....I can't quite tell)

Originally Posted by tovangar2

The "...adden" might be McCadden, which would make the east/west street Yucca(?)

MartinTurnbull posted a smaller version of this picture in post #23123 back in August, also looking for a location. It doesn't look like we found it then.

The presence of the Hollywoodland sign means the picture above is post-1923. I think I've found the large white house in this 1918 aerial view. It was on the south side of Yucca near N Las Palmas Avenue. The intersection near the bottom left corner is Hollywood Boulevard and N McCadden Place. I had a look on Historic Aerials, and the house seems to disappear between the 1952 and 1954 images.


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Here's the full picture showing a sparsely populated Hollywood Boulevard going left to right just above the center. The Hollywood Hotel is clearly visible, but the Chinese Theatre didn't open until four years later.


USC Digital Library

[ethereal_reality]

You nailed it HossC...that's the house!
-the flat roofed structure behind the house also appears in the sepia photo (and maybe, the flat-topped building behind it).

but I'm a bit confused by the east west street situation.
-isn't that a street besides the white house in the sepia photo? (the one that divides the white house and the "ADDEN" building and 'parking lot'?
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*ok, I revisited the sepia photo and that isn't a street...and what we're looking at, is the side of the "ADDEN" building, not the back. DUH!
It takes me awhile sometimes.

and yes I know "ADDEN" is actually "McCADDEN"

[BifRayRock]

Part of the Arsenal for Democracy.


1937 - 1945 - Interstate Aircraft and Engineering Corp., 2600 West Imperial Hwy., El Segundo (Excellent location for a double-decker freeway.)

Among other things, this company developed and produced a seemingly ubiquitous scouting aircraft, the L-6A "Cadet." MR: Notice considerable camouflage throughout the area.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...SAF_Museum.jpg


~'37-'45 (Suspect pre-December '41)
http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/4201/rec/1













Company calisthenics?






April 2, '42 - Interstate Aircraft interiors. Ssshhhhh!
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050070.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050071.jpg




Stay clean.




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/94932/rec/1

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

but I'm a bit confused by the east west street situation.
-isn't that a street besides the white house in the sepia photo? (the one that divides the white house and the "ADDEN" building and 'parking lot'?
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*ok, I revisited the sepia photo and that isn't a street...and what we're looking at, is the side of the "ADDEN" building, not the back. DUH!
It takes me awhile sometimes.

and yes I know "ADDEN" is actually "McCADDEN"

I see you've updated your post while I was looking for the image below, but it might help to clarify things.

Here's a screengrab from a late-1940s aerial video of Hollywood Boulevard which I've used several times before (e.g. post #18124 where I just missed the house in question). This view is looking roughly south-east with Hollywood Boulevard in the top right corner and the large white house in the bottom left. It looks like there were two large yards/parking lots between the two


archive.org

[ethereal_reality]

I appreciate the clarification Hoss. That aerial helps.



Thanks Wig Wag for digging up the information on the 1946 "sowbelly" street-car slide.

Originally Posted by HossC

I checked Historic Aerials, and the house on the hill can be seen on the 1948 and 1952 images. The long, low building currently occupied by the Western Terminator Company appears between those two dates on the Silver Lake Boulevard side of the house. On the view below, the house would have been directly behind the Western Terminator Company building in what is now the parking lot.


GSV

then

www.pacificelectric.org

now

GSV

The iron "fencing" is still the same along Temple (on the left in both images)



A closer look at the hilltop reveals a building that looks more like a mad doctor's evil lair than an exterminator business.
(the old house would have been back by the large palms)


GSV



If you look across the street, there's still a massive hill in place.


GSV
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[BifRayRock]

No Blackout here.


El Segundo business district. Undated (Early '50s?)

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/9379/rec/71




Here, El Segundo's business district looks quintessentially "noirish."

El Segundo, undated. (Early '50s?)

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/9377/rec/69


















http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/9379/rec/71


'50 Studebaker Landcruiser
http://www.my-car-picture.com/image-...r-rear-288.jpg

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by HossC

USC Digital Library

Please note the third large house on the south side of Sunset Blvd, east of Highland, in the lower right-hand corner of the C. C. Pierce aerial. It appears to be the home at the Hollywood Center Motel, which has been much discussed on the thread.

[ethereal_reality]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido

On the pretext that Bix Beiderbecke – outstanding jazz trumpeter – played in the Paul Whiteman orchestra (Whiteman was commercially nicknamed the « King of Jazz ») by 1927 to 1929 and at the same time became a dreadful alcoholic, jazz critics (particularly Frenchs) have been unfairly severe to Paul Whiteman. Saying that wasn't jazz at all. They were true on that and that lead a lot of musicians to dispise Whiteman without even listening to him. For sure, it is not jazz but it is a glorious popular music (perfectly played and recorded). To my French ears it is my popular american favorite. The orchestra stopped to be the best by the early Thirties.

Thanks for the information AlvaroLegido!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE



below: I don't know if this was taken in Los Angeles, but I wanted to post it because of those extremely cool tires. (oh, and yes..that's Paul Whiteman)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE




...and here's Mr. Whiteman with a different set of wheels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE


You can see the above images and hear his sound here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE
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[ethereal_reality]

originally posted by BifRayRock

Huntington archive

This is probably the most noirish photograph ever taken of El Segundo.


Below: So what is that huge industrial building at the end of the street? It looks monstrous.


detail
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[BifRayRock]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't know if this was taken in Los Angeles, but I wanted to post it because of those extremely cool tires. I don't think I've ever seen anything like them. (oh, and yes..that's Paul Whiteman)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMBJQM_GTE

MacDonald-Dodson Tire Co. - 1317 S. Hope

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10205


I would assume the structures in the El Segundo photo background are part of an oil refinery. Look closely at the daylight image.

[ethereal_reality]

unkown stock footage film, Los Angeles vicinity.

I thought one of you "in house" rail-fans here on NLA might be able glean more clues from these three images than I am able to do.


old file of mine / collected 2010



old file of mine


below: and then a train arrives.


old file of mine

And that's it. I wish I had more details. (the sign on the right, facing the opposite way, is probably the name of the town.....or junction)

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[ethereal_reality]

A precursor to Cinerama in 1930? I had no idea.



https://archive.org/details/hollywoodfilmogr101holl
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[ethereal_reality]

"South Pasadena via Redondo c. 1904"


posted by BrerHair at http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...446547/page-57

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[C. King]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

unkown stock footage film, Los Angeles vicinity.

I thought one of you "in house" rail-fans here on NLA might be able glean more clues from these three images than I am able to do.


old file of mine / collected 2010



old file of mine


below: and then a train arrives.


old file of mine

And that's it. I wish I had more details. (the sign on the right, facing the opposite way, might be the name of the town.....or junction)

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I am 99% sure that this is in Saugas in the Santa Clarita Valley, just north of the San Fernando Valley. The Milepost numbers on the signal mast seem to mesh with what was in effect back then. The screen grab is probably from a Frank Sinatra movie named "Suddenly". The Saugas Station would be at the photog's back.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

A precursor to Cinerama in 1930? I had no idea.


https://archive.org/details/hollywoodfilmogr101holl
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To be fair, Abel Gance's 1927- "Napoleon" employing "Polyvision" may have beaten Fox's "Grandeur" to the punch by two or three years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvision

Since "polyvision" would have likely necessitated additional projection equipment, it would be interesting to know whether the 1927-Napoleon contemporaneously appeared in NY or LA with its triple screen format intact. (In 1929, MGM evidently distributed the film in the US - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018192/...?ref_=tt_dt_co ) According to one source, the film was reedited to include only the center action.

To tie this topic closer to Los Angeles, I recall the film being screened at the Shrine Auditorium sometime in 1981(?). The poster below only advertises NY, but I am confident there was an LA version too.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

unkown stock footage film, Los Angeles vicinity.


old file of mine

And that's it. I wish I had more details. (the sign on the right, facing the opposite way, might be the name of the town.....or junction)

Originally Posted by C. King

I am 99% sure that this is in Saugas in the Santa Clarita Valley, just north of the San Fernando Valley. The Milepost numbers on the signal mast seem to mesh with what was in effect back then. The screen grab is probably from a Frank Sinatra movie named "Suddenly". The Saugas Station would be at the photog's back.

I found this picture of Saugus Station on the scvhistory.com (Santa Clarita Valley) website. It shows the station in 1970, and the view of the mountains looks like a pretty good match to me. The trackside signals and utility poles are also similar. Click the link below the picture for the full-size image.


scvhistory.com

I've mentioned this before in post #19919, but the reason I'm familiar with Saugus Station is that it appeared briefly as Hazzard Station in a season 2 episode of 'The Dukes of Hazzard'. The depot closed in 1978, the Dukes filming was probably done in 1979, and then there was a campaign to save the station. In 1980 it was moved a couple of miles down the road to its current location in the Heritage Junction Historic Park where it survives as the headquarters of the Santa Clarita Valley Historical Society.

Here's a current view from Drayton Street, a few yards north of the original station location (i.e. roughly where e_r's picture was probably taken from). Today it's very difficult to see the mountains for comparison.


GSV

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"South Pasadena via Redondo c. 1904"


posted by BrerHair at http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...446547/page-57

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LOL. I love joke pix. This is a cute one.