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Why are you guys lamenting the loss of the seaport? I'm confused. This is an addition to the seaport.
I think they're just talking about that mall on the pier, which wasn't much.
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I should have paid more attention, but when exactly was Pier 17 shuttered?
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I should have paid more attention, but when exactly was Pier 17 shuttered?
I don't even remember, but sometime last year.
Here's a little more on that closing...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1450294

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/ny...er-closes.html



There was no crowding on Monday, the last day of operation at the Pier 17 pavilion at the South Street Seaport in Manhattan.




Here's a pic I took in January...





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Demolition of Pier 17 is well underway, heavy machinery is on site and half of the mall is already gone. Unfortunately, the website does not let me upload images from my computer so you have to trust me on that
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Daily What?! South Street Seaport Mall at Pier 17 Demolition Fully Underway

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As the boat passed South Street Seaport, a small group congregated at the prow of the boat staring as plumes of dust seems to rise up from the river. The mall at Pier 17 was midway into demolition. Those working nearby said they had been documenting the demolition from their offices above, but the view from the river really brought a new perspective.

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Opponents Press Case Against Developer's Plans for Seaport




Julie Finch, of Save Our Seaport, displays her drawing that she says is to scale to show that developer Howard Hughes's proposed tower would dwarf the nearby Brooklyn Bridge

By AMANDA WOODS
May. 19, 2014


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Save Our Seaport, the group leading the fight against a developer’s plan for a 50-story tower at the Seaport, took to the streets this month. With the developer, Howard Hughes Corp., yet to reveal its final plans for the Seaport, more than a dozen concerned neighbors and others gathered twice at the Seaport’s Titanic Memorial Park to drive home their concerns over what’s to come.

Since last November, when the Hughes Corp. unveiled preliminary development plans, including a residential tower where the New Market Building now stands next to Pier 17, Save Our Seaport has been hammering away with its message that such a structure would overwhelm the low-rise, historic Seaport.

“I call upon the City of New York to prohibit hideous and irrevocable scarring of the Historic District by a totally inappropriate high-rise building on the waterfront," said Robert Rustchak, a merchant marine captain, speaking to the group assembled near the lighthouse monument at Fulton and Water streets.

“I call upon the city to re-shoulder its responsibility to its history, to its citizens and its community.” “I’m particularly dismayed that the city would be willing to compromise the unique character of this incredible district that is so incredibly important to the history of the city,” added architect Gina Pollara, who oversaw the development of a new park on Roosevelt Island.

On June 16, at a special meeting of Community Board 1’s Landmarks Committee, the Hughes Corp. will present its plans for the historic Tin Building and other projects within the South Street Seaport Historic District, which need to be approved by the Landmarks Preservation Commission. (The meeting takes place at 6 p.m. in the community room of Southbridge Towers, 90 Beekman St.)

While the tower project lies outside the historic district, it is likely that members of Save Our Seaport and others will use the forum as an opportunity to speak out against it and other parts of the plan.

Paul Hovitz, a member of Community Board 1’s Seaport Committee as well as Save Our Seaport, said he believes the tower has been a major sticking point in the closed door Seaport Working Group’s discussions. Since February, the group, made up of Lower Man­hattan civic leaders, elected officials and Hughes Corp. representatives, has held a series of meetings with city officials about the developer’s Seaport plans.

“We are guardedly optimistic that the working group that is reviewing the plans for the proposals for the Seaport will come back with what CB 1 has said, ‘No tower, even if you’re going to give us affordable housing. No tower, even if you’re going to give us a school.’”

Hughes Corp. has proposed to restore and add a floor to the Tin Building, where the company plans to install a food market of at least 10,000 square feet. Also as part of its plans, the developer would rebuild the piers, construct a new marina and continue the East River Esplanade through the Seaport. Hughes Corp. has contended that a tall tower is needed to pay for the improvements.
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OMG! The tower is taller than the bridge!!! Think about the children! How will the trees grow? The Illumaniti and the Lizard gods are taking over! Grab the tin foil!
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Practically every tower down there dwarfs the bridge. What a stupid point.
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After seeing the napkin rendering of this building presented by this community member, I am convinced its design is horrible and it is of larger size than the bridge.
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I would hate to see how they react to Barnett's planned 800 footer which would be even closer to the Manhattan Bridge.

But seriously...

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If we're going to etch and sketch, we may as well do it from all angles, all vantage points of the bridge. Because from most angles, the tower would hardly alter the view of the bridge.
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sea-nimby's be crazy.

Oh wow this tower is going to block the view of brooklyn bridge that is already blocked for the whole neighborhood by the FDR. I guess we shouldn't build it then.

We gotta preserve this view of the bridge


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^ Somebody draw that on a napkin.




http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/ny...ower.html?_r=0
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The World Trade Center buildings dwarf the Whitehall building. 432 Park Ave. dwarfs pretty much everything else. Are they canceling those projects too?
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The World Trade Center buildings dwarf the Whitehall building. 432 Park Ave. dwarfs pretty much everything else. Are they canceling those projects too?
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Wow they made small work out of razing Pier 17. I thought it would have taken longer to rip down as they have to be careful not to tear down the foundation (pier).
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After 11 weeks of meetings, the Seaport Working Group task force finally unveiled its guidelines and recommendations for the Howard Hughes Corporation's latest redevelopment plans for the South Street Seaport. Last November, the developer and Seaport overlord—who is currently demolishing Pier 17 to build a new Pier 17—revealed plans for a 50-story hotel/condo tower, throwing the community into a tizzy. Because the tower would replace the New Market Building, once home to the historic Fulton Fish Market (and block views of the Brooklyn Bridge), neighbors and preservationists immediately opposed it and launched a plan to stop it. After three months of fielding a lot of angry feedback, Howard Hughes agreed to form the Working Group to seek organized community input, and now here we are. So what does the Seaport want and how does Howard Hughes feel about it?

Obviously, many Seaporters do not want a 50-story tower; DNAinfo notes that they'd rather see a shorter building. They also want Howard Hughes to save the beleaguered South Street Seaport Museum and create new public green space along the waterfront. Downtown Express talked with a Howard Hughes rep about the plans, and Chris Curry, the company's senior executive vice president of development, said that "the project that we're envisioning is consistent with those guidelines." Howard Hughes' plan does include a marina, improvements to the East River Esplanade, and restoring the Tin Building. But Curry also said he "might have an issue" with the guideline that recommends a shorter tower. Shocker.
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Shorter tower?

Oh no you don't!

Let's demand for a taller tower LOUDER than those NIMBY's !!
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Shorter tower?
They have to be very careful about those "demands", because a shorter tower is something they wouldn't necessarily want.



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Howard Hughes' plan does include a marina, improvements to the East River Esplanade, and restoring the Tin Building. But Curry also said he "might have an issue" with the guideline that recommends a shorter tower. Shocker.

None of the guidelines are binding for Howard Hughes, but the developer will consider them and return to the community with a revised plan in the coming weeks.

The slender tower actually has a smaller floor area ratio than what current zoning allows, but it well exceeds the 350-foot height limit. But Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer said that "a squat, as-of-right building clearly isn't what these guidelines are calling for." Something like that would block way more bridge views.
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