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Eurostar confirms high speed rail link opening date

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The final section of the Folkestone to London high speed Channel Tunnel Rail Link is to open exactly a year from today.

Train operator Eurostar said its 186mph trains would start using the final section to St Pancras on 14 November 2007, as predicted (Transport Briefing 02/08/06).

The opening of the final stage will cut journey times from London to Paris from 2hr 35min to 2hr 15min. The first phase, from Folkestone to south London, opened in September 2003, while the high speed link from Paris to the Channel Tunnel was completed in 1993, a year before the tunnel opened.

"This move will be the most significant event in Eurostar's history since we started running passenger services 12 years ago today," said chief executive Richard Brown.

"It will mark the start of a new era in travel between the UK and mainland Europe, making high-speed rail an even faster, more reliable and less environmentally damaging alternative to flying."

Eurostar trains will continue running into Waterloo International until 13 November 2007. Waterloo's international terminal will then be handed back to the government and the platforms used to provide additional capacity for domestic commuter trains.

Eurostar is also to run services from the £100m Ebbsfleet station near Dartford to Paris and Brussels, but is to cut the services it currently runs from Ashford International in Kent.

The opening of the St Pancras section will also cut the journey time from London to Brussels, from 2hr 15min to 1hr 51 min. High-speed domestic services will start using the new section from 2009. The Channel Tunnel Rail Link is also being rebranded as High Speed 1, or HS1.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...453536,00.html

Travel times slashed as London gets on the fast track to Europe

By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent


nick: this isn't a map of the entire European HSR network....


HIGH-SPEED trains will compete with airlines between London and dozens of cities on the Continent from next year, when three missing links in Europe’s 186mph rail network will be filled.

Eurostar is joining forces with high-speed rail operators in six European countries to offer through tickets and fast connections.

Journey times from London to Amsterdam, Cologne, Strasbourg and Zurich will be cut by up to two hours, making rail a fast alternative to air travel for the first time in 30 years.

From November 14 next year Eurostar passengers will no longer have to spend the first 30 miles of their journey on slow, suburban lines in South London.

The completion of the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, which was renamed High Speed 1 (or HS1) yesterday, will allow Eurostar trains to accelerate to 186mph (300km/h) within minutes of leaving their new terminus at St Pancras. They will reach the Channel Tunnel 70 miles away in half an hour, shaving about 25 minutes off the journey time to Paris and Brussels. London to Paris will take 2 hours and 15 minutes.

With a change of trains at Lille or Brussels, passengers will be able to transfer to two other high-speed lines being completed next year: from Brussels to Amsterdam and from Paris to Strasbourg.

The fastest time between London and Amsterdam will be cut by an hour and 20 minutes to three and a half hours. Train times will be synchronised to allow about 15 minutes to change platforms at Brussels.

Richard Brown, Eurostar’s chief executive, said that the cheapest fares between London and Amsterdam would be less than £100, to compete with budget airlines. Eurostar believes that security measures at airports, which force passengers to arrive earlier for flights, have made rail more attractive.

Flying between London and Amsterdam takes an hour, but the total journey from city centre to city centre takes about the same as high-speed trains will take from the end of next year.

Eurostar is also considering running direct trains from London to Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris, which serves more destinations than Heathrow and can be much cheaper for transatlantic flights.

Europe’s high-speed rail network will be promoted by Rail Team, a new body linking Eurostar with train operators in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Passengers will be able to view a single timetable and book through tickets.

Eurostar will promote itself as the green alternative to air travel. It has published a study which shows that, per passenger, a Eurostar train emits ten times less carbon dioxide than a typical aircraft flying between London and Paris.

Mr Brown said that the average fare would increase slightly from next year but the cheapest return fare of £59 would be maintained.

Frequency will be increased, and trains will operate earlier and later, with services reaching Paris or Brussels before 9am.

Eurostar’s terminus at Waterloo will close on November 13. Eurostar decided that it would be too expensive to have two London terminals.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 2:54 AM
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Wow europe, wow, wow, wow! Why the hell was i not born in europe????
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 4:19 AM
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Wow europe, wow, wow, wow! Why the hell was i not born in europe????

I am sure you can qualify for legal immigrant status in the EU as an American. Be my guest.
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This is what I found on wikipedia:
Orange = TGV
Red = Thalys
Yellow = Eurostar
Blue = ICE


And here's the german part:
Red = High-speed lines for 300 km/h
Orange = High-speed lines for 250 km/h or more
Blue = Upgraded lines for 200 km/h or 230 km/h
Grey = Conventional lines, often upgraded for 160 km/h
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 9:59 AM
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I have some questions with this map:



1. Travel time from Zurich to Basel = 90min ?
2. no change of trains between LDN and Frankfurt, Zurich , Lyon & Marseille ?
3. at 186 mph from Baudrecourt to Strasbourg & Basel/Zurich ?
4. From LDN to Marseille a gain of 25' by the end of 2007?

@ KingKrunch:
The first map you posted is where high speed trains run but it is not accurate:

1. Brussels - Liege is in service since 12/2002
2. The french TGV network misses lots of travel destinations (especially in the Nord/Pas-de-Calais region)
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 10:36 AM
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Italy, ETR 600 : the new generation of high-speed trains :









The extension of the italian network is painfully slow. The new Firenze-Bologna line (under construction for over ten years) was just delayed again. The opening is now expected at the beginning of 2009.

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il primo treno non passerà più entro quest’anno, ma nei primi mesi del 2009
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 3:33 PM
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Does anyone have a good map of the entire European network?
This is a very nice overview of the European rail system. It's an interactive flash site.

http://downloads.raileurope.com/map_europe/europe.html

By the way, the new Berlin HBF is very nice. I really liked it.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 7:40 PM
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2. no change of trains between LDN and Frankfurt, Zurich , Lyon & Marseille ?
I don't know about Frankfurt, but the direct link between London, Lyon&Marseille wouldn't surprise me.
During the skiing season, there's already a Eurostar service from London to the French Alps.

What I don't understand is the absence of a London-Amsterdam link without change. I think that it would be a big commercial success.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2006, 10:09 PM
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What I don't understand is the absence of a London-Amsterdam link without change. I think that it would be a big commercial success.
Certainly would be a succes , could it be the Schengen agreement perhaps ?
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Renovation of GENT SINT PIETERS railwaystation , TGV stop on the line Paris-Oostende







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This is a very nice overview of the European rail system. It's an interactive flash site.

http://downloads.raileurope.com/map_europe/europe.html

By the way, the new Berlin HBF is very nice. I really liked it.
Awesome!

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2006, 10:45 AM
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very detailed maps of of public transport in French cities: http://www.itransports.fr
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the new Rotterdam Central Station:







Zaragoza Delicias AVE









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Does anyone know the price tags on some of these new stations? I am really curious how much some of these cost.
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No idea.
Here's one more : Calatrava's TGV station, Lyon st Exupéry :





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Wow, way to rub it in!
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I have some questions with this map:

1. Travel time from Zurich to Basel = 90min ?
2. no change of trains between LDN and Frankfurt, Zurich , Lyon & Marseille ?
3. at 186 mph from Baudrecourt to Strasbourg & Basel/Zurich ?
4. From LDN to Marseille a gain of 25' by the end of 2007?

1. is surely wrong. The fastest travel time today is 52 min. Afaik there are some small improvements planned, they will probably cut it down another 5 min or so.
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Here in Holland, a new high speed line is u/c and scheduled to be opened in April 2007. The line connects Schiphol Airport (some of you probably landed there for their visit to Amsterdam or Europe) to Rotterdam, and Rotterdam to Antwerp (Belgium). Travel time between Amsterdam and Paris should be reduced to a mere 3 1/2 hrs. One of the most compelling (from an engineering perspective) elements is a 4 mile long tunnel underneath the 'Groene Hart' (Green Heart), considered to be the green lung in the Dutch metropolitan area called 'Randstad'.



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