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[ethereal_reality]

FIVE POINTS

google_earth



This impressive old garage (red arrow above) is just a block south of 2517 Pasadena Ave (outlined in blue).


-street view June 2009 (in later views the façade is partially covered in vines)

gsv

It's located at 2450 Daly Street.



note the impressive art deco detailing around the large doors. (the folding metal screens might be original as well)


gsv

I need some help on it's history.

[tovangar2]

Telephone Company garage, building permit dated 26 Aug 1935

(Pac Bell is still across the street)

It's now the Daly Lofts per LA. curbed
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2010/0...ln_heights.php:



Video of one unit

Loopnet calls them the "Telephone Company Lofts"

Lane Barden lives there:

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Wilshire Blvd from the sea to DTLA (9 images)
http://www.lanebarden.com/en/01_Sequ.../03_Sequence3/

Lane Barden

gvs july 2007


gsv july 2014

[Noircitydame]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

NoirCityDame, you had mentioned that your father signed up for the Navy in WWII out of Fairfax High School
(at 17!) and I wondered if you have any Los Angeles related photos of him you could share with us? Did he ever
visit the Hollywood Canteen or any U.S.O.'s in L.A.? I hope you don't mind the query.

Also, you have found alot of good newspaper items to add to many posts and I wondered if you
have, or can find anything about this (below) that I inquired about once? Thanks.



Again, thanks NoirCityDame for the post with info about the newspaper headlines and
clarification about dates for The Pilgrimage Play.

Hi Martin,
I don't mind at all. It was my grandfather, the 17 year old. I'm sad to say I don't have any LA related photos from his navy days (only some shipboard ones) or stories of him visiting the USO. I suspect when he was in town he had to make the rounds to the relatives houses. It was hard to get him to talk about old LA or WWII, though I was interested in both. I'll look through my mom's photos anyway. I know she does have one of the boys at some unknown nightclub posing with bandleader Dick Jurgens and Johnny "the Phillip Morris midget." One of the sisters got the bulk of the familty photos; I got to glance through them once only- a certain coolness exits between her family and ours, stemming apparently from my mom calling her daughter "Sleeping Ugly" at a slumber party in 1962. The phrase "get over it" comes to mind, but I know I'll not likely ever see those pictures.

My grandmother Lorraine was also an LA/Hollywood girl and her friend was dating a local sailor boy, Jack Howell, who came to their apartment with some of his buddies one afternoon and they posed for some photos.


Lorraine and some sailor buddies.


Jack Howell. His girlfriend, Flo, wrote on the back of this one "He took some cuter ones but I'm stingy!"
I wish I knew Jack's family; I have pictures from their wedding June 29, 1946.


I don't know his name but it's so LA with the white stucco and huge poinsettia. I see he has a comb in his pocket.

The fire in 1942. I did find a report of it in the LA Times, 12-13-42.It didn't take long to finger the suspect for it- Jimmy Jordan, age 16. Poor Jimmy- I hope the FBI wasn't too hard on him.
LAT 12-14-42

This was the only picture I came across, via eBay. Not the greatest and has the dreaded watermark.
ebay


Nice information about the Bowl and the Play. I've been trying to track down some recordings from those Bowl rallies. I came across the mention of a plan to turn the place into dorms for servicemen, but not confirmation that it was acted on.

[so-cal-bear]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Very interesting post Martin.
"Eileen O. Laverty shows model of $200,000 apartment complex to be built on Bunker Hill,
called one of the greatest developments in downtown Los Angeles." (unrealized)

I believe it says 'coliseum on the white round building. (*actually it says Auditorium)
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According to, http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

$200,000 in 1950 is really not that impressive! I expected a more substantial number as well.

What cost $200,000 in 1950 would cost $1,940,689.04 in 2014.
Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2014 and 1950,
they would cost you $200000 and $20733.68 respectively.

[Noircitydame]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

NANCY'S again.


Here's another great slide from the 1940s looking toward Hollywood and Vine.


eBay


*hmmmm...I just noticed the Luther (Lutheran?) Service Center sign at far right. (was this like an USO organization?)

Another photo E-R posted, in post #27163 give a broader look at the Lutheran Service Center, upstairs in the Schwab's menswear store building.

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

FIVE POINTS

google_earth



This impressive old garage (red arrow above) is just a block south of 2517 Pasadena Ave (outlined in blue).


-street view June 2009 (in later views the façade is partially covered in vines)

gsv

It's located at 2450 Daly Street.



note the impressive art deco detailing around the large doors. (the folding metal screens might be original as well)


gsv

I need some help on it's history.

The assessor's office has its build date of 1935 and it is designated as commercial/industrial. Zillo indicates that the building is divided into lofts which are called "Telephone Company Lofts". Curbed LA has an article listing them as the Daly Lofts and a notation there says that the building was a garage for phone company vehicles.

[tovangar2]

As we're out in Lincoln Heights, I thought I'd add one or two more pictures of the Los Angeles Alligator Farm. The Farm was on Mission Road from 1907 to 1953 when it moved to Buena Vista, across from Knott's Berry Farm, and renamed "The California Alligator Farm". It closed in 1984, after a 77 year run, and (per wiki) the critters were shipped to a private estate in Florida.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

-the Ostrich Farm and the Alligator Farm were next door to each other (see map below)

As well as e_r's posts on the Alligator Farm, 3940dxer provided a charming postcard and BiffRayRock pretty much had the last word with a memorable and exhaustive post:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

lapl

The public face of the farm. "Drop In":

lapl Herman J. Schultheis Collection

And the dark underbelly of the alligator business. LOL. Alligator Farm workers, exhibiting a variety of facial expressions, package babies for sale / shipment:

lapl

Interesting neighborhood, even had a Natatorium:

1921 Baist

Today (note Selig Place):

google maps

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Wonderful post NCD re wartime romances and the Christmas mail fire. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks tovanger2 and oldstuff for the information on the old telephone co. garage on Daly Street.



Close Call.



eBay


"Elysian Park's moving mountain finally collapsed on the night of Nov. 26th. The 'avalanche' carried some one million tons of earth down above a viaduct
demolishing the re-enforced concrete structure. Here is a big boulder that which 'pressed' against an automobile which had been parked on the street below the mountain."
11/28/1937







This is my favorite. Amazing

http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz0025gn14

Can anyone read the name of the hotel?

*never mind. I just realized I could enlarge the photograph further.



And there's a train I didn't see before.





originally posted by Martin_Pal back in March 2015.


Martin's post includes many other photographs and information on the event.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=26980
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Here are a few more recent finds that I don't think we've seen on NLA.

below: A week before the massive slide.


eBay
info.





"rapidly widening"

eBay









close up of Dayton Street viaduct damage

eBay




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[ethereal_reality]

1924 Original Photograph Rooming House 432 N. Hill St. Los Angeles California Chas. Brown.



eBay




enlargement


two 'twin' houses?

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[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' man with the bedroom eyes.



eBay

I think he's sweet on Beverly.





detail

the photographer was 'Bruno of Hollywood'



Gerry spelled with an I...I bet he was in show business.
Does anyone recognize him?
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[Earl Boebert]

Some shots of 1971 LA, grabbed from the "Cannon" series.

We start at the Hotel Always Open, because evil, like rust, never sleeps:



Evil hits the street, and the game's afoot. Oops, this LA: the game's a-wheel.



Our hero stealthily picks up the tail of an innocent:



Whom he prepares to rescue in the sumptuous courtyard of the Hotel Always Open:



Meanwhile, in the better part of town:



And after making all well, our hero reflects on what it must be like:



Thought the crew might get a few moments of amusement from locating the locations :-)

Cheers,

Earl

[ethereal_reality]

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935.


http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz002883gp

I posted this is because I was wondering if the mural was still intact at Abram Freidman Occupational School (formerly the Frank Wiggins Trade School)

but then I noticed this side-note in the description:

" The central panel (the one pictured above) was removed from the Frank Wiggins Trade School lobby and returned to the Public Works Administration in 1935.
The other two panels were returned in 1939."
-UCLA Archives

Does anyone know...is there a repository for WPA artwork? I'd really like to know if "Youth Arisen" has survived.






As a reminder, here's the school.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The Frank Wiggins Trade School. (southeast corner of Venice Blvd. and S. Olive Street)


www.vimeo.com/14429162


Here it is today from pretty much the same angle.

gsv

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Wonderful post NCD re wartime romances and the Christmas mail fire. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

I second the motion, NCD, thanks for sharing the photos and family intrigue!

Originally Posted by Noircitydame

a certain coolness exits between her family and ours, stemming apparently from my mom calling her daughter "Sleeping Ugly"
at a slumber party in 1962. The phrase "get over it" comes to mind, but I know I'll not likely ever see those pictures.

Interesting how one little remark can be a thorn in the lion's paw for so many years. (All family's have at least one of those, I'd say.)
Though a point of contention for your family, sharing it with us made me laugh, thank you!

Originally Posted by Noircitydame

Jack Howell. His girlfriend, Flo, wrote on the back of this one "He took some cuter ones but I'm stingy!"
I wish I knew Jack's family; I have pictures from their wedding June 29, 1946.

It's probably mundane, but do you have any idea what that object is by "Sailor Jack's" foot?

The other sailor, with the comb, stunned me a bit because he's a spittin' image of my young neighbor, Lenny!
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Thanks for the Union Station fire info and photo...I didn't know they'd found the cause of it! I guess they put 16 year olds
to work overnight back then. And smoking, too! I guess I hadn't realized the fire was in a tented area. Imagine some of the
stories caused by 35 tons (!) of holiday mail during World War II disappearing? Lost letters and gifts. Burnt photographs.
Hurt feelings. Confused children. Missed opportunities. G.I. mail that wasn't delivered. Information never to be known. "It's
the thought that counts." Most people probably would never have known about the fire and wonder about what happened
to their mail. Some may have used it to their advantage: "I bought you this expensive gift...it must've been in that fire!"

to you!

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

By the way, the Pilgrimage Play Theatre, now called the John Anson Ford Amphitheatre since 1976, is
closed this summer.

From an L.A. Times article:

The rumble of construction machinery and the thwack of carpentry will be the summer sounds for
2015 at the 1,196-seat county-owned outdoor John Anson Ford Amphitheatre, which is closing for
at least a year and a half for a [near] $20-million renovation project. While the makeover is underway,
the dancers and musicians who usually hold sway at the theater will fan out to other, as yet undetermined
venues around Los Angeles County.

Since the Ford Amphitheatre is so close to the Hollywood Bowl and both are outside venues, they really do try to schedule events
so that they don't or won't interfere with each other. That didn't happen when I attended the Bowl on a Friday night sometime
in the 90's. One of the featured performers that night was Rosemary Clooney. Playing at the Ford Amphitheatre was a punk
rock group, I believe. So, throughout the concert one also had the occasional background track of a completely opposite musical
style. It was a hot summer night and, reminiscent of Streisand's famous rendition of "Silent Night" sung in her summer night concert
in Central Park back in the 60's, Rosemary sang "White Christmas" from the popular film she had starred in, but it was a disonant
version you'd never want to hear again. The Bowl management profusely apologized, on stage, and said they were trying to
do something about it. (But what could they do at that point?)

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Early entrances to the Hollywood Bowl (no specific dates , sorry)


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Traffic hasn't changed around there one bit, I guess! It always seems like that! (Even undated, lol!)

Loved these photos, E_R, particularly the unusual "model" one of the new entrance,
which opened in 1939. They should've put more cars in it, though!

A couple interesting Hollywood Bowl notes I found along the way:

View of the Hollywood Bowl as seen from the top of the seating, looking down towards the stage, 1923.
LAPL Image Archive

In 1923, the Hollywood Bowl’s first 150 boxes were built. Also in 1923, the Hollywood Bowl’s debt
was paid off and the mortgage was burned (!) on the Bowl’s stage. Among the donors who helped retire
the debt were three-time presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, who made a $100 donation.Info from: L.A. Philharmonic Bowl Moments

Also from L.A. Phil's Bowl Moments: In 1923, with the re-paving of Highland Avenue sure to disrupt the Hollywood Bowl’s season,
Bowl leader Artie Mason Carter [AMC-heh!] took to the streets to protest the city’s work. She and another woman manned “battle
positions” in rocking chairs (with their knitting) in the middle of Highland Avenue and refused to allow crews to break up the street.

Protesting roadwork on Highland Avenue, 1923.
Hollywood Bowl Philpedia

The result? Paving was rescheduled for the 1923 Bowl’s off-season.
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I didn't know this:

Hollywood High School held its first graduation at the Hollywood Bowl in 1920 and has continued to do so each year since then.

Undated:
LAPL Image Archive

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935.


http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz002883gp

I posted this is because I was wondering if the mural was still intact at Abram Freidman Occupational School (formerly the Frank Wiggins Trade School)

but then I noticed this side-note in the description:

" The central panel (the one pictured above) was removed from the Frank Wiggins Trade School lobby and returned to the Public Works Administration in 1935.
The other two panels were returned in 1939."
-UCLA Archives

Does anyone know...is there a repository for WPA artwork? I'd really like to know if "Youth Arisen" has survived.






As a reminder, here's the school.

Here is the link to a book which references the painting and indicates why it was taken out: https://archive.org/stream/californi...8cali_djvu.txt
but there does not seem to be any indication of where it went

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

...do you have any idea what that object is by "Sailor Jack's" foot?

A very early Kodak Duaflex or similar?


wiki

Originally Posted by Noircitydame

[Martin Pal]

Thanks, tovangar2, it dawned on me after I'd made the inquiry it might be a camera!
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There's been a dozen or two posts showing incarnations of Carpenter's Drive-In's.


HossC's post #17962 has photo's of Carpenter's Drive-In and links to some other posts of the same.

Segments from the above post:

Originally Posted by HossC

I know there were several Carpenter's restaurants (the 1936 CD lists them at 6285 and 6290 Sunset Blvd., 667 S Western Av., 1250 S Vermont Av. and 3201 Wilshire Blvd.)

the [Sunset/Vine] image below, taken in 1932, shows the original octagonal design.


Huntington Digital Library

The [Sunset/Vine] circular drive-in dates from after its redesign. The picture below is dated 1945.


army arch on Flickr

Nighttime view of Carpenter’s Sandwich at the S/E corner Sunset and Vine. 1940's.
DWP

What caught my eye is this:

This Carpenter's Drive-In replaced the one located near the northeast corner of Sunset and Vine (6265 Sunset Blvd),
which was torn down in 1938 to make room for the new NBC Radio City building.

I looked through most all of the posts on NLA concerning this Carpenter's at Sunset and Vine and I don't
think it's clear that we 1.) knew the Drive-In was remodeled (rebuilt) because it moved across the street
to make way for the NBC Building that was being constructed, or 2.) that there were two Carpenter's for
awhile across the street from each other.

At least I didn't know that.

The info that HossC posted: "The 1936 CD lists [Carpenter's] at 6285 and 6290 Sunset Blvd." indicates
two locations, then, maybe they did have one on both corners for a time? (And the info I posted says
the address was "6265", slightly off the CD list.)

And speaking of the NBC Radio City building being constructed, I have no idea what this was originally
published in, but I found this link to a three page 1938 article titled "Is Radio Moving to Hollywood?" and
it's about the NBC building construction and the possibility of radio moving to L.A. from N.Y and what
will Hollywood do? There's a few photos and some tidbits like: "The construction was delayed by the
recent floods." (1938.)

http://www.durenberger.com/resources...LYWOOD0638.pdf

[Tetsu]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Very interesting post Martin.






Have we seen this on NLA before?



found in an old file of mine.








The so-called 'slums, blight - crowded' were to be replaced by this $200,000 apartment complex. (what is that in today's money CityBoyDoug?)

1950

http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=34631

"Eileen O. Laverty shows model of $200,000 apartment complex to be built on Bunker Hill,
called one of the greatest developments in downtown Los Angeles." (unrealized)

I believe it says 'coliseum on the white round building. (*actually it says Auditorium)
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It's always equal parts amusing and saddening to see photos of the Bunker Hill low-cost public housing sham that LA was duped with.

[Tetsu]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"1924 Original PASADENA Photo HOUSE on SO. EL MOLINA & ALPINE ST. California."





reverse




I drove the google-mobile in the vicinity and located the house at 979 S. El Molino.


gsv

..and it's a Greene & Greene!


"Located in Pasadena's Madison Heights neighborhood, this historic Greene & Greene Craftsman was commissioned by Dr. Samuel Crow in 1909. The house was subsequently purchased by Edward Crocker, who was responsible for doubling the size of the property by purchasing land to the west of the residence and enhancing it with extensive gardens and out buildings designed by Henry Greene. Built on a U-shaped plan with a center courtyard, the 3,168 square-foot bungalow features four bedrooms, three baths, formal living and dining rooms, two fireplaces, a sunroom with stained glass skylights, wood-paneled halls, a separate guest cottage, swimming pool, and detached garage with caretaker's quarters."

The property has been owned by the same family since 1958!
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the garage, mentioned above, is very large.

here it is

redfin


aerial

I think this must be the garage (red arrow)
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979 S. El Molino's neighbor is an attractive Craftsman as well (below, on the left)

gsv

Perhaps it's a Greene & Greene as well.

I don't think the Crow-Crocker's neighbor is a Greene & Greene, but it may have well been the work of one or both of the Heineman brothers, Arthur & Alfred, who did many (if not most) of the great Pasadena Craftsmans that weren't designed by the brothers Greene. There's a Michael Locke photo gallery with some of their works to be found here. They're also credited with the development of the bungalow court, though I've also heard that the first bungalow court was the St. Francis Court in Pasadena, designed by Sylvanus Marston.

Arthur Heineman is also credited with designing the first motel, Motel Inn in San Luis Obispo. My apologies if we've covered all this stuff already.

Wikipedia

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Leo Katz mural "Youth Arisen", Frank Wiggins Trade School, Los Angeles, 1935.


http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz002883gp

I posted this is because I was wondering if the mural was still intact at Abram Freidman Occupational School (formerly the Frank Wiggins Trade School)

but then I noticed this side-note in the description:

" The central panel (the one pictured above) was removed from the Frank Wiggins Trade School lobby and returned to the Public Works Administration in 1935.
The other two panels were returned in 1939."
-UCLA Archives

Does anyone know...is there a repository for WPA artwork? I'd really like to know if "Youth Arisen" has survived.

Thanks ER for posting this grand exposition. It gave me some food for thought!

Its very easy for me to see why this mural didn't really sit well with the cultural mores of the 1930s. Its the central figure that goes over the edge
and sits squarely in the realm of what is called today ...soft core porn.

His ''proportions'' are wildly off key and for some reason... just plain kinky.

Its one thing to be classically nude and its another to be in your face as this fellow appears to be. It doesn't bother me but I can see why a lot of 1930s people would say..."I don't think so."

The various symbolisms scattered throughout the saga are harmless and excruciatingly vague. Even the pendulous breasts eagerly echo the Daliesque women of that era. But its that precursor of a
Speedo that leaps at you, as if to assault, and wants to collide with your face.

Now, if the artist wanted to achieve the effect I describe above....he achieved it in spades.