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Old Posted Jul 3, 2020, 4:19 PM
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^ I guess that goes to my question, though - how realistic is it that continued Chinese growth will accrue to the "Chinese corridor" along Archer, or will people start moving to the suburbs if they want a house and cars? I get the sense that a lot of it is driven by recent immigrants, whether poor or middle class, who want to establish a foothold in the US and save money while living cheaply. But for other immigrant groups, the place to "live cheaply" is increasingly in the suburbs, wherever there is a concentration of 1960s-1970s apartments.

For the people that are in the "Chinese corridor", those people will want a house in Naperville or Arlington Heights in a place with good schools, right? The schools in the "Chinese corridor" are... not great, to say the least.
Based on what Marothisu is observing, and a sense that I’m getting, Chinese people even of good means are actually choosing to invest in and build homes in the “Chinese corridor”. I mean, I just don’t see a big concern about them decamping to the suburbs en masse when they reach a certain stage, as long as LL and the crew keep crime and riot related activity under control.

This is not to say there aren’t a lot of Chinese/Koreans and others out in the burbs. Even our little sprawly neighborhood in Libertyville (including our next door neighbor) has a decent number of them. They are most concentrated in the NW area like Arlington Heights, Schaumburg, etc. Probably a ton in western regions like Naperville environs as well, but those places are so damn far away that I can’t comment from personal experience.

That whole dynamic is very different from Indo-Pak people. As a whole you just aren’t seeing them take roots in the city in masse and creating a whole “Desi corridor” like the Chinese are. They may conduct commerce at Devon but the American dream is in the burbs. Even the huge growth in the central area has mostly been young techies, young couples, etc. Few are sticking around after that.

The reason is cultural. Indian cities are crowded, dirty, full of homelessness and stray dogs, etc etc. There continues to be a preference for new construction and a lot of space because of that. Hence the burb preferences.
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^ How is education handled, then? I'm genuinely curious how the Chinese middle-class (which obviously values education) deals with the limited/poor options available in urban Chicago. I know Asian students are heavily represented in the CPS magnet schools, but there's got to be more to it than that.
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Based on what Marothisu is observing, and a sense that I’m getting, Chinese people even of good means are actually choosing to invest in and build homes in the “Chinese corridor”. I mean, I just don’t see a big concern about them decamping to the suburbs en masse when they reach a certain stage, as long as LL and the crew keep crime and riot related activity under control.

This is not to say there aren’t a lot of Chinese/Koreans and others out in the burbs. Even our little sprawly neighborhood in Libertyville (including our next door neighbor) has a decent number of them. They are most concentrated in the NW area like Arlington Heights, Schaumburg, etc. Probably a ton in western regions like Naperville environs as well, but those places are so damn far away that I can’t comment from personal experience.

That whole dynamic is very different from Indo-Pak people. As a whole you just aren’t seeing them take roots in the city in masse and creating a whole “Desi corridor” like the Chinese are. They may conduct commerce at Devon but the American dream is in the burbs. Even the huge growth in the central area has mostly been young techies, young couples, etc. Few are sticking around after that.

The reason is cultural. Indian cities are crowded, dirty, full of homelessness and stray dogs, etc etc. There continues to be a preference for new construction and a lot of space because of that. Hence the burb preferences.
Bridgeport, McKinley Park, Brighton Park, Armour Square, Archer Heights, Douglas, and Lower West Side increased by 7001 Chinese people between 2010 and 2018. This isn't counting the ~5500 growth downtown next door or the almost +1600 in Lincoln Park, Lakeview, West Town, and Logan Square (over half of that just in Lincoln Park), or the almost +1400 of Kenwood, Hyde Park, and Woodlawn.

And yeah, totally cultural. There are obviously many Chinese in the suburbs but I think you'll find less of the "I must have a big house and big yard" idea amongst Chinese in America than some other groups. At least as far as my wife says, they like cheap real estate and have no issues trying to improve an area as far as aesthetics, schools, etc go. Chicago just needs to continue marketing to some people - cheap housing, still a nice city, many nice paying jobs, etc. At least as far as the data goes until 2018, there's been a good uptick.
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^ How is education handled, then? I'm genuinely curious how the Chinese middle-class (which obviously values education) deals with the limited/poor options available in urban Chicago. I know Asian students are heavily represented in the CPS magnet schools, but there's got to be more to it than that.
I thought the schools in Chicago were improving, according to some posters here. Is this not the case, then?
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The thought of Chinese middle class coming into an area, making it majority Chinese in some areas and not putting pressure on those schools to improve is pretty damn funny. Good one.
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Two TOD sites for sale:

1) 400 S Clark

2) The buildings south of 1611 W Division
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Haines, Healy, Sheridan, Ward are all 8/10 or 9/10, Level 1+ CPS schools and majority Asian in and around Chinatown, Bridgeport, and Armour Square
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400 S Clark should be landmarked as part of the city's first Chinatown... And the building on the corner was designed by Holabird & Roche for the same client as the Monadnock and Rookery.

https://preservationchicago.org/chicago07/?cat=4


The buildings around La Pasadita are in pretty rough shape... I've enjoyed plenty of delicious burritos there but it's just gotten very expensive. Hopefully they can continue their business in a cheaper environment somewhere! Also, any TOD there is gonna have to be approved by LaSpata, who is a card-carrying Socialist... maybe not quite the same level of anti-development as some other aldermen but definitely still an idealist. Not like Moreno.
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Hey Harry, for us Covid19 trapped in California natives can you do a swing by the Fly Over?
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Pardon the odd framing, this is after my shutter destroyed itself, but before I noticed - put a nice big black band across a few dozen shots.

I thought they were going to put the bike traffic on lower LSD - obviously there is more to it. currently rebuilding the lower deck on the East side, so we will see.

Chicao | Gikeway by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

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