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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks so much for your help on the Venice Short Line Martin Pal, Wig Wag & Henry Huntington.






Not to beat a dead horse, but.......

This is supposedly along the Venice Short line, yet I can't find a Rose Avenue Stop on the map. How come?


Jim Stubchaer/ http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/vsline.htm

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ER.....there are a series of Stops along the Venice line that are not listed on PE maps. They are just a DOT on the map. Maybe they were only a per-use stop and not a Regular Stop.
That would be my guess.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks CBD.

I thought any time there was a permanent shelter with a sign it would show up on a map.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Does anyone have a photograph of Barr Clothing?

My last name is Barr, so I thought it would be kind of neat to see.
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I alas can't find any historic photos (at least not yet). Barr Clothing was located at 468 S. La Brea, currently the main location of La Brea Bakery. According to the L.A. Times of November 25, 1958: "The Barr Manufacturing Co., makers of men's wear, is holding open house through Dec. 3 to mark the firm's 10th anniversary and the completion of remodeling of the store at 468 S La Brea Ave. [...] The new building, designed by Don Ramos, A.I.A., will serve as the firm's central warehouse as well as a retail outlet. The new facilities provide for an exclusive department for Ivy League styles and a new department for extra large men's wear." From a couple of further Times references in the 1970s and 80s, of which I cleverly failed to note the specific date, it seems that the owner of the Barr company was . . . not Barr (at least, at that time) but rather Richard A. Giesberg.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for the information odinthor...and for trying to find a photograph.

I really appreciate it.

[HossC]

I'm away from home this week, so I'll be taking a short break from posting Julius Shulman photosets (I still hope to be checking in throughout the week). This coincides with Los Angeles locations getting thinner on the ground, with very few of them showing up recently. I've been working through the search results for "shulman los angeles" at the Getty Research Institute, and I'm apparently only just over a quarter of my way through, but I don't know how many LA subjects are left. The last few pages have included pictures from Quebec and Mexico amongst others.

These pictures are from "Job 2082: Frank Gruys, Pacific Palisades Medical Center, 1955".





Getty Research Institute

The Pacific Palisades Medical Dental Center is still standing at 910 Via De La Paz, and there's still a pharmacy on the corner. As you can see, the building has gained an extra floor over the years.


GSV

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks CBD.

I thought any time there was a permanent shelter with a sign it would show up on a map.

Well, they do show up as a little dot on the map.
When the motorman sees a waiting customer, they stop the train....otherwise they keep going.

[ethereal_reality]

Awhile back I happened across this exceptional photograph of a group of nurses (& two gentlemen, who might be administrators) posing on the front steps
of the Santa Fe Coast Line Hospital in Boyle Height.


eBay




As a reminder, here's how the Santa Fe Coast Lines Hospital looked shortly after it was completed in 1905. (you can clearly see the three arches where the nurses posed)




"In 1900 a piece of property covering nearly four acres on the east side of Hollenbeck Park was purchased by the The Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway Company,
to construct a full service hospital for their employees or anyone suffering an injury due to their railroad."






In this unique view, we're looking across Hollenbeck Park (I'm pretty sure this, and the preceding photograph, are new to NLA)


http://merricatblackwood.blogspot.co...1_archive.html


"This original Moorish-style hospital building designed by Charles Whittlesey, known as the Santa Fe Coast Lines Hospital, was razed and rebuilt in 1924 in the current
Mission Revival Style structure. It was eventually renamed the Linda Vista Community Hospital."

After decades as "the most haunted place in Los Angeles", the hospital is being renovated into apartments.

today

google_earth


We first visited the old Santa Fe Hospital back in the early days of NLA.

Here's a post by westcork from page 392!
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7834

And one by rcarlton, (same photos) additional info:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11451

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[Earl Boebert]

An informal Perry Mason list that I'm on is involved in a little exercise pertaining to the imdb record for Robert Arthur "Bob" Wegner, who appeared as an uncredited extra in about 75 episodes. Or so we think. This would give him the most appearances of someone who never received a credit.

Recently imdb "updated" his record and reduced his number of episodes to two. This is clearly incorrect, and our group is trying to get it fixed.

What may be of interest here is where he lived:

"His mother was Irene Taylor, a concert pianist, and his father was Leonard Wegner, a musical conductor and evangelist. ... Robert's stepfather, Max Rapp (whom Irene later married), was a composer at Universal Studios in Hollywood, California. Max Rapp and his entire family (including Bob) lived at 2323 Lorenzo Drive in Los Angeles, California. This house was built by Wallace Beery (the actor) in 1924 and Max and Irene bought the home in the 1930s. When Max became ill in the late 1950s with leukemia, he and Irene decided to sell the house. Robert bought the home from them in 1958 and lived there until his death from liver failure."

From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=74782839

More on Wegner at:

http://www.perrymasontvseries.com/wi...n/RobertWegner

Cheers,

Earl

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Awhile back I happened across this exceptional photograph of a group of nurses (& two gentlemen, who might be administrators) posing on the front steps
of the Santa Fe Coast Line Hospital in Boyle Height.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/706...921/AtE9FX.jpg

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See image link above for aerial view of old hospital....soon to be ''lofts''.

Yeah, a bit scary.

GSV

[ethereal_reality]

even scarier

https://www.facebook.com/Insearchofg...type=3&theater

Is the front entrance bricked over?...or is it closer to the camera than that? I haven't seen this in any other photograph.




hallway

https://www.facebook.com/Insearchofg...type=3&theater

looks like many different layers of linoleum. -probably the kind that full is of asbestos!



somewhere inside

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Why "Thou Shall Not Sin" in a hospital?

(could this have been painted for a tv production)

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[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks CBD.

I thought any time there was a permanent shelter with a sign it would show up on a map.

I'm sure it did on valuation maps and other drawings used by PE in the course of conducting their business, but these maps weren't available to the general public.

Sadly, Ray Younghans (who drew the VSL map brought over by Martin Pal) went to his final reward some years ago, so we can't ask him why he omitted the Rose Avenue stop. My speculation would be that the Trolleyway stretch was densely populated with stops and he made an editorial decision to leave some out to keep the map somewhat proportionate while still fitting Ira Swett's space requirements for his publication. Remember, his wasn't an official PE map.

I looked at the PE System Maps available via Google search, and none of them were as detailed in this geographic area as Ray's hand-drawn effort. So here we are.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

even scarier

https://www.facebook.com/Insearchofg...type=3&theater

Is the front entrance bricked over?...or is it closer to the camera than that? I haven't seen this in any other photograph.

It's just the end of the sign.


losthospital.com

[ethereal_reality]

lol...thanks Hoss.

-I forgot to take into account the excellent depth of field in that first photo.

[ethereal_reality]

Santa Monica & Fairfax

originally posted by Martin Pal on May 22nd.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35117

originally posted by Martin Pal, also on May 22nd.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3511
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Earlier this week I found this slide of this same location, that captured two streetcars passing one another.


http://www.ednasantiqueshop.com/trolley_pictures.htm*







At first I thought this was the same location, but the building on the left definitely doesn't match the building in the other three pics.


http://www.ednasantiqueshop.com/trolley_pictures.htm*

So where was this one taken?


*If we've seen these two slides on NLA, I apologize.
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[Martin Pal]

And why is that car in that position?

[ethereal_reality]

I wondered that too. I thought he was shooting a U.

[Martin Pal]

E_R, I was trying to decipher where the location above might be, and looking at the link you provided.
And thanks for it, because, believe or not, this photo on the site is also of the Fairfax / Santa Monica location!



I never would've believed that until HossC posted the comparison aerials awhile ago showing that Fairfax Ave. had been widened later on.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

At first I thought this was the same location [Fairfax and Santa Monica], but the building on the left definitely doesn't match the building in the other three pics.


http://www.ednasantiqueshop.com/trolley_pictures.htm

So where was this one taken?
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E_R, in the photo below we can see the Columbia Cleaners building in the distance, so the caption tells us the location:

Tom Wetzel

Caption: In the above photo an inbound train is approaching the grade crossing at Sunset Boulevard and Gardner Street. Even today the PE right of way is quite visible at this intersection. About half the Hollywood Boulevard steetcar service turned back using the crossover in the foreground.

[ethereal_reality]

Excellent work Martin Pal!

I wonder where Edna is finding these photographs?

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[Martin Pal]

SIDEBAR: LEGO has an idea page where people can submit ideas for Lego projects that, if approved,
can be manufactured and sold in stores. A few years ago someone submitted this project:


Pacific Electric Hollywood Car Trolley
This model represents the PE cars which plied Hollywood boulevard in the 1930s and 1940s.

LEGO Ideas