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Old Posted Oct 15, 2019, 3:34 PM
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The legal weed map downtown expanding a bit.

City plans to loosen weed-free zone downtown

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/mari...-zone-downtown



While an improvement it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can walk into any convenience store in the zone and buy alcohol. When I lived in SF there was a large dispensary right on Market Street (for the pearl-clutchers about Michigan or State St) and I walked past it several times a day...there were no problems.
There is still a weirdly significant number of people who think these legal dispensaries will bring criminal elements, and the sort of people who will be buying legal marijuana are going to be, I dunno, dope heads harassing people on the street or something.

My dad is on a planning commission in the suburbs and they are currently deliberating if/where to allow dispensaries in town. He said the couple of meetings they've had so far have been PACKED and mostly with people who have bizarre, outdated concerns about weed. Granted, that's the suburbs so you'd expect a few more pearl clutchers, but still.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2019, 3:51 PM
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There is still a weirdly significant number of people who think these legal dispensaries will bring criminal elements, and the sort of people who will be buying legal marijuana are going to be, I dunno, dope heads harassing people on the street or something.

My dad is on a planning commission in the suburbs and they are currently deliberating if/where to allow dispensaries in town. He said the couple of meetings they've had so far have been PACKED and mostly with people who have bizarre, outdated concerns about weed. Granted, that's the suburbs so you'd expect a few more pearl clutchers, but still.

CA had a larger and much more, uh, liberal medical marijuana program running since 96 so people had a long time to get experience that this wouldn't cause real problems. Anecdotally nobody I talk to is actually very worried about it in the downtown area.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2019, 3:07 PM
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Yea, that's really bizarre people are worried about weed shops downtown or in the burbs. The legal weed shops I've seen in Oregon and Amsterdam are about as exciting as a convenience store. I mean stoners are the calmest and mellowest sort of drug user. I would be more worried about a Big 10 bar being nearby lol. Those sports fanatics get alot more crazy and rowdy than people that smoke weed
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 1:44 PM
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Does anyone know what the CTU thinks they gain by striking? CPS raises taxes every year and can barely balance its budget. Pension coats continue to skyrocket with no end in sight. The Mayor has offered a very generous pay increase. Maybe if CTU agreed for less pay and benefits CPS could hire a few more nurses and librarians. What do they really want and where will the money come from?
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 2:24 PM
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Does anyone know what the CTU thinks they gain by striking? CPS raises taxes every year and can barely balance its budget. Pension coats continue to skyrocket with no end in sight. The Mayor has offered a very generous pay increase. Maybe if CTU agreed for less pay and benefits CPS could hire a few more nurses and librarians. What do they really want and where will the money come from?
Who knows

I think teaching is generally a thankless job and a lot of people don’t respect the profession, but I can’t help but feel this strike isn’t about the kids at all. CPS was just given $1b to reduce classroom sizes and put all that money towards pensions. $1b isn’t a ton of money, but it’s frustrating that money intended to decrease classroom sizes went straight into the pension black hole. I support union members, but how are we supposed to negotiate with public unions?
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 2:32 PM
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Who knows

I think teaching is generally a thankless job and a lot of people don’t respect the profession, but I can’t help but feel this strike isn’t about the kids at all. CPS was just given $1b to reduce classroom sizes and put all that money towards pensions. $1b isn’t a ton of money, but it’s frustrating that money intended to decrease classroom sizes went straight into the pension black hole. I support union members, but how are we supposed to negotiate with public unions?
It's extremely frustrating as a City taxpayer and CPS parent. I like teachers and think they deserve to be paid well, but there simply isn't enough money for all their demands. On top of all this, CPS continues to lose students by the thousands.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 2:33 PM
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Does anyone know what the CTU thinks they gain by striking? CPS raises taxes every year and can barely balance its budget. Pension coats continue to skyrocket with no end in sight. The Mayor has offered a very generous pay increase. Maybe if CTU agreed for less pay and benefits CPS could hire a few more nurses and librarians. What do they really want and where will the money come from?
I'm beginning to suspect it's the residency requirement that's at the heart of this strike. Lightfoot mentioned that affordable housing (in so-called 'good neighborhoods') was the sticking point of the negotiations. It's the only proposal that doesn't require massive upfront costs even though losing the requirement would be a severe blow to Chicago's middle-class neighborhoods in the long run.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 3:28 PM
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I'm beginning to suspect it's the residency requirement that's at the heart of this strike. Lightfoot mentioned that affordable housing (in so-called 'good neighborhoods') was the sticking point of the negotiations. It's the only proposal that doesn't require massive upfront costs even though losing the requirement would be a severe blow to Chicago's middle-class neighborhoods in the long run.
Screw that. They better live in the City if they are going to be the highest paid teachers in the nation. Chicago isn't particularly expensive.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 3:38 PM
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From the Tribune in January:

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“Where will the money come from? Rich people,” CTU Vice President Stacy Davis Gates said Tuesday, as she repeated the union’s call for Illinois to tax its wealthiest residents at higher rates and pointed to revenue-generating ideas that need support from Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker.

“We have a governor who has committed to legalizing recreational marijuana and putting a tax on it, we can take that as well,” Davis Gates said. “They are also talking about sports betting. We can take that. They’re talking about opening a new casino here in the city of Chicago. We can take that.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...115-story.html

I generally support unions but the CTU is ridiculous. They (seem to, at least) negotiate in bad faith and with total disregard of the health of the city as a whole.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 PM
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Does anyone know what the CTU thinks they gain by striking? CPS raises taxes every year and can barely balance its budget. Pension coats continue to skyrocket with no end in sight. The Mayor has offered a very generous pay increase. Maybe if CTU agreed for less pay and benefits CPS could hire a few more nurses and librarians. What do they really want and where will the money come from?
Well considering they have the entire city at gunpoint they can literally just hold us up until they get whatever they want. I think Lightfoot should respond to this by retracting all the concessions she has already made and say "No more work until you agree to return at prior terms". Just starve the fuckers out, I have zero sympathy for the CTU at this point. Send in the national guard and crush their protests with rubber bullets for all I care.

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I think teaching is generally a thankless job and a lot of people don’t respect the profession, but I can’t help but feel this strike isn’t about the kids at all. CPS was just given $1b to reduce classroom sizes and put all that money towards pensions. $1b isn’t a ton of money, but it’s frustrating that money intended to decrease classroom sizes went straight into the pension black hole. I support union members, but how are we supposed to negotiate with public unions?
Let's get this straight, teaching is not a "thankless job" that's a load of shit. It is a highly respected profession where you get paid like $70k a year on average to work 9 months and you also get a constitutionally guranteed pension and full healthcare. The notion that it is "thankless" is hot bullshit propaganda by the CTU.

Let me tell you a little story about how much the CTU "Cares about the kids":

My wife is one of six kids. He three older brothers and one of her sister in laws are all teachers. Her brother and sister and law who are both teachers used to live here in Chicago and teach at CPS. They were both CTU members during the last strike and she was pregnant about to give birth. She literally gave birth a few weeks early on the first day of the last strike with a lot of complications and my nephew was in the NICU. The dirtbags at the CTU REQUIRED that at least one of them show up to the protests, didn't matter that their newborn was fighting for his life, gotta show up to beg for more handouts. They literally forced my brother and law to leave the hospital and his wife and newborn son to go out and protest so that the fat cats running the union can continue to concentrate power for themselves.

Man the CTU really cares about the kids! Except when they are premature newborns fighting for their lives in an incubator at the hospital...

To make things even better, my Sister in Law's job was gone after she went on maternity leave. She came back and, because of the mornic union rules, her permenant position had been given up to someone else and she was now only eligble to work as a temp where she would get assigned to whatever shooty neighborhood was looking for a warm body to get harassed all day long.

Needless to say they only put up with that for another year or two before they both found jobs in Singapore teaching at a fancy diplobrat school there and GTFO of Chicago. The main motivation for leaving was the kind souls who run the CTU.

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It's extremely frustrating as a City taxpayer and CPS parent. I like teachers and think they deserve to be paid well, but there simply isn't enough money for all their demands. On top of all this, CPS continues to lose students by the thousands.
Honestly my wife and I are buying and renovating a SFH on the edge of Old Irving and, for a second, considered sending our kids to Belding since it's a great school and free. The reemergence of this strike has eliminated any and all consideration of subjecting our kids to this nonsense. Cathlotic School it is, less enrollment for CPS it is. The last thing I want is for my children to be force fed this CTU bullshit propaganda all day long. I don't want my kids to grow up to be a bunch of loafers who expect to extort their way to personal gain.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 5:44 PM
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Well considering they have the entire city at gunpoint they can literally just hold us up until they get whatever they want. I think Lightfoot should respond to this by retracting all the concessions she has already made and say "No more work until you agree to return at prior terms". Just starve the fuckers out, I have zero sympathy for the CTU at this point. Send in the national guard and crush their protests with rubber bullets for all I care.

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Frankly, the Chicago Public School system needs to be disbanded. My Mom teaches troubled high-schoolers in another school district, and by comparison the entire Chicago system is beyond dysfunctional and toxic. Dissolve the schools, make a database of qualified educators, write a standard curriculum, give parents vouchers to form their own education groups, and start from scratch.

For the worst students who can not or will not learn in an academic setting, use those vouchers for counseling and behavior therapy or apprenticeships.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 5:59 PM
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Let me tell you a little story about how much the CTU "Cares about the kids":

My wife is one of six kids. He three older brothers and one of her sister in laws are all teachers. Her brother and sister and law who are both teachers used to live here in Chicago and teach at CPS. They were both CTU members during the last strike and she was pregnant about to give birth. She literally gave birth a few weeks early on the first day of the last strike with a lot of complications and my nephew was in the NICU. The dirtbags at the CTU REQUIRED that at least one of them show up to the protests, didn't matter that their newborn was fighting for his life, gotta show up to beg for more handouts. They literally forced my brother and law to leave the hospital and his wife and newborn son to go out and protest so that the fat cats running the union can continue to concentrate power for themselves.

Man the CTU really cares about the kids! Except when they are premature newborns fighting for their lives in an incubator at the hospital...

To make things even better, my Sister in Law's job was gone after she went on maternity leave. She came back and, because of the mornic union rules, her permenant position had been given up to someone else and she was now only eligble to work as a temp where she would get assigned to whatever shooty neighborhood was looking for a warm body to get harassed all day long.
Things like this are mind blowing. CTU does not care about the kids. It clearly only cares about money and power.

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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 11:40 AM
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i support the CTU, hope they strike as long as necessary and get everything they're asking for
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 2:42 PM
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i support the CTU, hope they strike as long as necessary and get everything they're asking for
"I support separating parents from their premature babies and hope we can keep them apart as long as possible before we get an undeserved handout"
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 2:53 PM
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I tried arguing with a Chicago teacher about how they get better benefits already than I do in the private sector along with summers off. They do work extra hours during the school year, but if you average the hours over the year it works out to 40 hours a week annual average. That's only if your a very diligent teacher, if your lazy you could work even less hours during the school year. They make 70k with 3 months off, a rich guaranteed pension, I'd love those benefits. You can't get through to them. Then she tried to say about how they make so little money, yet it's one of the highest paid districts in the US already.
Her response was that I should go back to college and get a teaching degree so I could get their benefits too lol. First, I have no interest in being a teacher or taking 4 years off of my life to go back to college for that.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 4:01 PM
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10...tes-cps-friday

If this is true, this is really frustrating. Get your ass to the negotiating table, Sharkey, and away from the press.

I fully support CPS getting all the additional support staff they need. Hope this is resolved soon.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 6:01 PM
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10...tes-cps-friday

If this is true, this is really frustrating. Get your ass to the negotiating table, Sharkey, and away from the press.

I fully support CPS getting all the additional support staff they need. Hope this is resolved soon.
They think the public supports them, the public does not. They are being offered like 24% raises over the next 5 years and that's still not good enough. It's not about the kids, it's about more more more for the greedy teachers...
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 6:17 PM
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They make 70k with 3 months off, a rich guaranteed pension, I'd love those benefits. You can't get through to them.

Her response was that I should go back to college and get a teaching degree so I could get their benefits too lol. First, I have no interest in being a teacher or taking 4 years off of my life to go back to college for that.
they fought for their benefits over a very long period of time, why would you denigrate them for having done so? its not magic, its constant struggle. shes your peer in the struggle for better pay and better conditions and better rights. that struggle never ends because as we've seen it will be wrestled right back without a second thought. if you want the same sorts of advantages, it comes with mobilization and activism and organizing within your given profession. workers hold all the power in the world but it only matters if its exercised. or you can just keep bashing unions and wondering why their quality of life is better and why you're getting taken advantage of in the private sector.

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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 6:31 PM
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they fought for their benefits over a very long period of time, why would you denigrate them for having done so? its not magic, its constant struggle. shes your peer in the struggle for better pay and better conditions and better rights. that struggle never ends because as we've seen it will be wrestled right back without a second thought. if you want the same sorts of advantages, it comes with mobilization and activism and organizing within your given profession. workers hold all the power in the world but it only matters if its exercised. or you can just keep bashing unions and wondering why their quality of life is better and why you're getting taken advantage of in the private sector.
I'm a big supporter of private sector unions because they are a necessary counterweight to the profit motive of corporations. No such profit motive exists in the public sector. If anything, the interests are reversed and it's the union that has the profit motive and the elected officials are dependent on the votes of those same union members to win re-election. Public sector union members essentially get to vote for their boss, so they'll obviously choose whoever is promising to give them the biggest raise. This has been the story for the past many decades and part of why the City of Chicago is so broke right now. Lightfoot, to her credit, is trying to break this cycle even if it costs her dearly in the next election. She is the one displaying the real courage here.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 7:43 PM
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The CTU is disgusting. It literally makes me feel ill to watch these creatures play mind games on the public, some of whom actually fall for it. They are vile.
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