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The "park" should be an ambitious northern expansion of Hudson River Park with a bridge across 9A connecting to the High Line not a squandering of the marshalling yard overdeck ($$$) when Bella Abzug is a block away. Win-win.

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While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.
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While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.
Yes, deck Javits with affordable housing above and maybe one or two office towers, and also develop a second convention center at Sunnyside, with affordable housing above it.
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The state just spent a lot of money on the Javits Center Expansion. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I can send another expansion in about 10 years.
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Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.
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I think Javits will be in Sunnyside within 15-20 years. The renovation was massively downsized and that land is far too valuable for a few annual conventions, which can be held anywhere. And a lot of the renovation was simple maintenance stuff like repairing the roof.

I'd guess the site would most likely end up as a defacto Hudson Yards Phase III. Big waterfront parcel adjacent to the previous phases. Related Companies is most likely to win the site.
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Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.
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They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.
While we're on Sunnyside, what that needs to be is sort of like some of these new economic centers we have seen pop up in places like lagos or singapore. Throw up the development platforms, pave the streets and provide some needed park space to the tune of cadman plaza. Don't be pretentious about it either. Deliver the needs.
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The "park" should be an ambitious northern expansion of Hudson River Park with a bridge across 9A connecting to the High Line not a squandering of the marshalling yard overdeck ($$$) when Bella Abzug is a block away. Win-win.

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Money should not always be the prime consideration.

And Abzug Park is too dissected by roads to be a real park anyway.
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Was looking forward to Related's full reveal. But who knows when that will happen with the slow moving state approvals process. Too many moving parts at one time.

Somehow, they didn't understand all of this when creating the various levels of hoops the bidders would have to jump through to get a license.



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