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Old Posted Apr 15, 2009, 1:17 PM
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City's Bylaw enforcement

As no one here posted these articles - I assume the enforcement of our priority bylaws aren't a priority to Skyscraper posters...

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/546778

The Hamilton Spectator
(Apr 11, 2009)

Illegal flower vendors beware -- the city is on the prowl.

Hamilton bylaw officers will be conducting an inspection blitz this long weekend looking for street vendors operating without a licence.

Flower stands and other roadside sellers frequently pop up along city streets for Easter, said Marty Hazell, senior director of parking and bylaw services.

He said legitimate businesses have complained about illegal operators taking away customers, and the city is also concerned the displays can be distracting for drivers.

The city has issued about 25 to 30 peddler permits. If a vendor is found without a proper licence, he or she could face a $500 fine, Hazell said.

The city recently revamped its licensing department to start proactive enforcement of high-priority bylaws. For more information visit hamilton.ca/mle.
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http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/548045

Three vendors have been charged by the City of Hamilton with selling flowers without a permit during the Easter weekend.

The charges came after Hamilton bylaw officers conducted an inspection blitz because of complaints from flower shops and those who have bought one of the 67 permits the city issued to vendors.

Stephen Bailey, co-ordinator of municipal law enforcement, said yesterday officers checked 75 locations between Flamborough and Stoney Creek. Apart from laying the three charges, officers are investigating five other vendors for violating the city's bylaw.

Bailey believed the small number of charges means the message is getting out to illegal vendors after the city began clamping down about five years ago. Bylaw officers expect to conduct another blitz on Mother's Day in May.

A vendor convicted of violating the city's bylaw faces a maximum fine of $500.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2009, 1:19 PM
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Bravo Matt Jelly!

Are flower sellers a bylaw priority?

April 15, 2009
Matt Jelly
The Hamilton Spectator
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(Apr 15, 2009)

Re: 'City rooting out unlicensed flower stands' (April 11)

While I appreciate any effort to revamp and

improve Hamilton's approach to bylaw enforcement, I have to question whether cracking down on unlicensed flower stands or roadside fruit signs should be a priority.

When Hamilton's bylaw department began a revamp last year, emphasis was on prioritization of enforcement; some bylaws were deemed a lesser priority, whether because they proved to be harder (or impossible) to adequately enforce or were considered less crucial to residents' health and well-being. Seeing that bylaw enforcement personnel can't be everywhere at once, the notion of defining some basic priorities seems like a logical approach.

Considering this, I find it frustrating after several decades of spotty and selective bylaw enforcement that some people are facing fines for relatively trivial infractions, compared to, let's say, keeping a building vacant and derelict, or starting construction without a building permit.

We need to ensure bylaws are primarily focused on ensuring the health and safety of residents and the overall functionality of our city, instead of cracking down on a few people trying to make a living at a time when doing so is increasingly difficult.

Undoubtedly, there are instances of unenforced bylaw infractions that take place every day which should be of far more concern than a few illegal flowers or roadside signs advertising locally-grown produce.
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Please don't get me started on the bylaw department....................

I'm 100% behind the enforcement of this, and other bylaws. Though getting them enforced is usually an exercise in frustration, and sometimes an exercise in futility.

And I'm probably one of the most persistent (and I suspect much hated within the MLE department) resident they have come across.

As I stated, please don't get me started.......
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2009, 3:06 PM
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I am 100% for enforcement of all of the bylaws, otherwise why have them?

We all have our gripes that we'd like solved through bylaw enforcement - from something like a neighbour's unsightly front yard, to illegal flower vendors, to unauthorized demolitions and parking lots.

But how many hours were spent (at time and a half?) chasing after these 3 vendors? And in the big picture of Hamilton's bylaw infraction issues, are these vendors really a big problem?

What about all of the buildings being demo'd by neglect? What about the illegal parking lots?

There needs to be some priority set and adhered to. If we are lacking manpower for enforcement, perhaps we shouldn't send the resources we have on hand out to chase the largely inconsequential infractions...
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2009, 4:21 PM
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As no one here posted these articles - I assume the enforcement of our priority bylaws aren't a priority to Skyscraper posters...

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/546778

The Hamilton Spectator
(Apr 11, 2009)

Illegal flower vendors beware -- the city is on the prowl.

Hamilton bylaw officers will be conducting an inspection blitz this long weekend looking for street vendors operating without a licence.

Flower stands and other roadside sellers frequently pop up along city streets for Easter, said Marty Hazell, senior director of parking and bylaw services.

He said legitimate businesses have complained about illegal operators taking away customers, and the city is also concerned the displays can be distracting for drivers.

The city has issued about 25 to 30 peddler permits. If a vendor is found without a proper licence, he or she could face a $500 fine, Hazell said.

The city recently revamped its licensing department to start proactive enforcement of high-priority bylaws. For more information visit hamilton.ca/mle.
This is the key driver to this particular enforcement - it is complaint driven. Given that licensed businesses (who contribute to the city's tax base) have complained about these unlicensed vendors (who do not contribute to the city's tax base), the licensing department was right to enforce the bylaw over the weekend.

And, it the grand scheme of things, one bylaw officer enforcing this bylaw over the span of the weekend is a drop in the bucket. A mountian is being made of a mowhill.
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Mark,

The mountain in this case is that there are bylaw infractions clearly being ignored by enforcement.

If you think illegal warehouses, derelict buildings and illegal parkings are molehills - you are clearly underestimating the impact it has on the overall health of our city.
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That's a serious allegation to say that bylaw enforcement is ignoring complaints of bylaw enforcement. Is there an example of illegal warehouses, derelect buildings or illegal parkings that have been reported to bylaw enforcement but was subsequently ignored by the enforcement office?
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Why not catch speeders along Main and King? I believe the speed limit is 50km/h all acrosss Hamilton unless otherwise posted. There are no speed postings in Main or King. This would be a great source of income for the city given the number of speeders along the major arteries leading into the heart of the downtown.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
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There was an abandoned building thread, we could resurrect it or start a new thread and keep a list of the verified derelict buildings and illegal parking lots in it and then present the list to council/a councillor?
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Is there an example of illegal warehouses, derelect buildings or illegal parkings that have been reported to bylaw enforcement but was subsequently ignored by the enforcement office?
Here's an example. See also this follow-up in the comments.
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That's a serious allegation to say that bylaw enforcement is ignoring complaints of bylaw enforcement. Is there an example of illegal warehouses, derelect buildings or illegal parkings that have been reported to bylaw enforcement but was subsequently ignored by the enforcement office?
Take a stroll down James North. Interspersed with all of the people actually trying to bring this retail stretch back to life, there are storefronts being used as storage (illegal), storefronts being used as living spaces (illegal) and storefronts being used as warehouses (illegal), not to mention the buildings which are being demo'd by neglect by out of town squatters.

How do you think these owners' actions are affecting the people trying to legally make a living in the neighbouring stores?
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Here's an example. See also this follow-up in the comments.
Back in June 2008, bylaw enforcement staff put forward a recommendation that charges be laid in connection to this. So your example definitely does not illustrate bylaw enforcement staff ignoring the bylaw or the enforcement of said bylaw. I am not sure how the city handled the recommendation once it was made. According to the initial news article on this item, Councillor Brattina did not consider this a top priority for bylaw issues because of an impending development on the site. Perhaps he can give an update on either the status of the complaint or on the actual development itself.
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Mark,

We actually have to deal with these issues on a day to day basis. You just have to comment on it. Try living with a full block of nothing across the street from you or hundreds of transport trucks rumbling by your front door each and every day - including sunday!

Ask the legal parking lot operator how he feels about an illegal parking lot opening up next door to his business...

We are clearly being ignored in this city.
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hmagazine,

I take exception to your last statement. A a downtown dweller, I am impacted just as much as you are by this parking lot on Main and Bay. I live with it each and every day just the same as you. I too would like to see it gone. However, it's simply unfair to accuse bylaw enforcement of ignoring this case, when they have clearly acted upon the complaint and made their recommendation to prosecute over ten months ago.

Accountability has to be made for inaction on this complaint, but it is not through a lack of action by bylaw enforcement. It is up to the city to act on the recommendation and prosecute through its legal staff. The real question is why has the bylaw enforcement's staff recommendation to prosecute not been acted upon?
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According to the initial news article on this item, Councillor Brattina did not consider this a top priority for bylaw issues because of an impending development on the site. Perhaps he can give an update on either the status of the complaint or on the actual development itself.
I have a PM from Bob Bratina which includes the following;

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THE HILTON WAS HELD UP BY AN ATTEMPT BY THE OWNER TO SAVE PART OF THE OLD HMP BUILDING AS A HERITAGE STRUCTURE. MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON THAT INITIATIVE, AND SEVERAL MONTHS LOST. IN THE MEANTIME HE BUILT AND OPENED TWO NEW HOTELS IN SUDBURY, AND HAS ONE UNDERWAY IN NORTH BAY. HE ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE SHERATON WHICH HE IS ABOUT TO RENOVATE. THAT CONTRIBUTED TO FURTHER DELAY. HOWEVER, HE HAS APPLIED FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND I EXPECT A CONSTRUCTION START THIS SPRING.
As you can read Bob expects construction to start this spring. I've kept Bob's PM to me for posterity so we'll have to see if his expectation is met, or not.

I do question the owner ever attempting to save any part of the building as a heritage structure. Perhaps someone can enlighten me if Bob's recollection is correct, or not.
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^ You will see an older rendering that the old HMP building was incorporated with the Hilton Hotel. Eventually the building became a safety issue and was demolished with the City's approval.
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The original conceptual drawings included the HMP building as part of the redevelopment:



Its restoration was dropped some time later, which I believe was due to prohibitive costs and/or structural concerns. Whether or not the restoration idea was ever seriusly considered is up for debate. Info on the project can be found in this thread.
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I think the HMP building was going to have a restaurant on the main floor and the rest office for Darko's hotel empire.
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