WINNIPEG | Portage Place Redevelopment - Page 26

BlackDog204 · #**501** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

I think powers that be are afraid of the optics of booting homeless and marginalized people out on the street when it's cold out.

The woke cancel culture will force an apology and a "we will do better" type of statement in no time.

The ideal solution would to build more affordable housing units. Medicine Hat did this oer a decade age, and all but eliminated their homeless problem, and it saved the city money on EMT, Police, etc. They should give people a bachelor pad, a buss pass, and enough food for a month. Problem solved.

Danny D Oh · #**502** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The ideal solution would to build more affordable housing units. Medicine Hat did this oer a decade age, and all but eliminated their homeless problem, and it saved the city money on EMT, Police, etc. They should give people a bachelor pad, a buss pass, and enough food for a month. Problem solved.

Yeah it's obviously a touch more complicated in terms of supports but the core of the matter is housing. Considering we pay enough to rent a catered room at the Fairmont to keep people homeless it is insane to me that people argue against supportive housing, supportive employment, really anything that will benefit all of us. Even if you don't give a rip about anyone else this is better for you economically.

Keep people out of hospitals, save billions.

esquire · #**503** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by bussche

Ah, so you've made these people's lives even worse by upending them, while forcing them to occupy some other public space, achieving nothing in the process.

Are you saying that the only way to help people with nowhere to go is to simply allow them to live in transit shelters? Problem solved?

bomberjet · #**504** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Real ignorant comment!

Browaty has empathy for those taking public transit and the amenities that Winnipeg Transit provides, should the single mother taking her child to day care on the way to work or a senior out to a doctors appointment or buying groceries be forced to stand outside a bus shelter in the freezing cold because vagrants have decided to make it their home and booze can!?

Kudo's to Browaty for having the balls to speak out while the eunuch mayor and other councilors fear saying anything in todays woke, left wing society!

There are shelters with supports who find themselves homeless, choosing not to use them doesn't give anyone the right to take away from others in society!

You mean this guy? So what about a second "offence"? Off to the gulag. Of course he'll walk back his comments. This guys been a City councillor for 20 years. Maybe that's the problem.

The reason people are comiting crimes is because they suffer from addiction and have mental health issues.

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

This guy. Holy shit.

His rebuttal.

rrskylar · #**505** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Are you saying that the only way to help people with nowhere to go is to simply allow them to live in transit shelters? Problem solved?

Some peoples solution, and let the working poor and those who rely on public transportation suffer more, so say he woke left!

Danny D Oh · #**506** Posted **Mar 6, 2021, 7:54 PM**

Browaty finally was able to move out of his parents basement so that's something.

Maybe he'll get a job one day.

rrskylar · #**507** Posted **Mar 7, 2021, 5:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

You mean this guy? So what about a second "offence"? Off to the gulag. Of course he'll walk back his comments. This guys been a City councillor for 20 years. Maybe that's the problem.

The reason people are comiting crimes is because they suffer from addiction and have mental health issues.

Well, well, well looks like you were right and I was wrong, and now that's the second time this year for me!

bomberjet · #**508** Posted **Mar 8, 2021, 5:06 PM**

lol well I'm glad we can agree on something rrskylar!

EdwardTH · #**509** Posted **Mar 8, 2021, 10:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Some peoples solution, and let the working poor and those who rely on public transportation suffer more, so say he woke left!

The "woke left" doesn't want people to live in bus shelters, they want supportive housing and addictions treatment. But the centre/right won't stand for that and just wants the homeless to rot. So they do rot, on sidewalks, under bridges, in bus shelters, wherever they can find a place.

If Browaty had ever once in his life advocated for an actual solution to homelessness then he might have a leg to stand on when he says the cops need to kick people out of the bus shelters. I mean what's the game plan? You evict them from the bus shack and then they just go somewhere else, repeat. It's not the super genius master plan you seem to think it is.

optimusREIM · #**510** Posted **Mar 8, 2021, 10:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdwardTH

The "woke left" doesn't want people to live in bus shelters, they want supportive housing and addictions treatment. But the centre/right won't stand for that and just wants the homeless to rot. So they do rot, on sidewalks, under bridges, in bus shelters, wherever they can find a place.

If Browaty had ever once in his life advocated for an actual solution to homelessness then he might have a leg to stand on when he says the cops need to kick people out of the bus shelters. I mean what's the game plan? You evict them from the bus shack and then they just go somewhere else, repeat. It's not the super genius master plan you seem to think it is.

I think it's unfair to say most people on the center right want people to rot, they just disagree whose role it is to take care of the homeless.

At some point you do have to make certain expenditures to create solutions, but I dont think that simply putting people in houses solves the underlying problems, it just hides them out of sight. I certainly dont know what the solution is, but its definitely not simple, and definitely going to require a holistic approach. I also dont believe it's possible to 100 percent solve this problem; when human nature is at play, the stroke of a pen is insufficient to address all the nuances.

bomberjet · #**511** Posted **Mar 8, 2021, 10:54 PM**

I think that's the point. People needs support, financially, mentally, medically, etc to get things going in the right direction. Having a stable place to live would be a huge first step.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**512** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 1:05 AM**

^No one knows how to deal with meth addicts. They don't want to live by any rules, period. That's the problem.

rrskylar · #**513** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 2:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by OTA in Winnipeg

^No one knows how to deal with meth addicts. They don't want to live by any rules, period. That's the problem.

The combination of poor mental health, drugs, lack of family supports and lack of education or skills is pretty tough to overcome, add to the lack of desire to change and the predicament of many is hopeless. As you state many don’t want to live by any rules.

Luisito · #**514** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 3:42 AM**

It would be interesting to see how bad our homelessness and drug problem is compared to other Canadian cities of a similar size.

wags_in_the_peg · #**515** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 2:21 PM**

beautiful Victoria BC parks are being filled with homeless camps, it's driving more and more to move to outlying areas. in the US, Seattle is getting so bad

bomberjet · #**516** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 3:02 PM**

Seattle getting so bad depending on who's talking. While yes, they're having problems. The City is not completely over run, in shambles, burning to the ground, like some people will tell you.

Most of these things in the American Cities that the former guy talked about were localized to a few blocks of the City.

esquire · #**517** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 3:22 PM**

The entire west coast seems to have an outsized homeless issue... consider a place like San Francisco which is one of the wealthiest and most prosperous cities on earth, but which has a huge homeless population. Walking the streets can be pretty crazy.

Winnipeg's situation is probably tiddlywinks in comparison, but we still have a hell of a hard time managing it.

WildCake · #**518** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

The entire west coast seems to have an outsized homeless issue... consider a place like San Francisco which is one of the wealthiest and most prosperous cities on earth, but which has a huge homeless population. Walking the streets can be pretty crazy.

Winnipeg's situation is probably tiddlywinks in comparison, but we still have a hell of a hard time managing it.

I remember reading an article saying that milder climate cities attract those without homes/jobs. They get enough money for a bus ticket and head out where living the nomadic life is not as rough weather-wise.

It would be interesting to see homelessness per capita, but Vancouver, Seattle, Portland and San Fran probably punch above their weight for those numbers.

michelleb · #**519** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 3:55 PM**

Homelessness is a huge problem in California because of vested interests blocking housing. They have a real political problem with being unable to build new housing. It's as simple as that.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**520** Posted **Mar 9, 2021, 4:29 PM**

Meth is a big problem even in small towns now. It's epidemic.