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Old Posted Mar 17, 2021, 4:38 PM
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A new cargo operator called CMA CGM started service on Saturday with it's first route Chicago ORD to Liege Belgium using a A330 F. Alot of A350's have been picking up routes(mainly cargo) to ORD in the last few months. SAS and Finnair have been operating A350-900's. Also Cathay Pacific have used a A350-1000 on cargo runs to ORD. We should see a large increase in domestic flights to ORD this summer hopefully. As for international, maybe this fall. We will have to wait and see.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2021, 4:39 PM
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Western access requires an underground people mover, but based on the phasing of new terminals I don't think they will add a people mover until the 2nd satellite terminal opens, which might not be until the mid 2030s.
Originally, both Satellite Terminals were supposed to be open sometime in 2024. I know they aren't going to meet that schedule, but I haven't heard anything to suggest it would be delayed by a full decade. Did I miss something?
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That lady is amazing. We should all just be glad she's not sneaking into the pilots seat.
No, she was not in the secure areas. She repeatedly, repeatedly not to go to airports anymore! She didn't listen to the judge or me. She didn't take her medication. She sneaks out of facility. She escape from Safe Haven yesterday. So now, she was charged with felony escape and criminal trespass.

She is currently being held without bond. She return to Cook County jail. She should be punished by the law. She breaks the law. The judge will be pissed at her again. She violating her probation.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2021, 4:59 PM
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Looks like they'll be able to use the new "gates" before the terminal expansion is complete (maybe even can now?), given the long jet bridges to the existing terminal.
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Hi all,

More update! Serial stowaway went to the court today. Judge David Navarro ordered her to held without bail. She didn't have a permission to go out for walk. Judge told her that she cannot go any place. She rode on CTA Blue Line to O'Hare airport. That's exactly how she got on rail. Her next court date is on April 7 to face judge Peggy Chiampas on her new charge. She was charged with felony escape.

https://timesnewsexpress.com/news/ne...hKx5FXULMeZRI8
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2021, 11:44 AM
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That looks like foundation work on Terminal 5. Do you think that it will be completed by the end of this year because the completion date for Terminal 5 expansion was set for 2021? Also, anybody know what the status of the ATS is? How can it be delayed for 2+ years?
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2021, 11:46 AM
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Western access requires an underground people mover, but based on the phasing of new terminals I don't think they will add a people mover until the 2nd satellite terminal opens, which might not be until the mid 2030s.

T2 is landside and the 1st satellite will be directly connected to T1's remote concourse. You don't really need the people mover until the 2nd satellite comes online. At that point I imagine they would just continue digging the tunnel to the west and build a small, temporary check-in facility (pickup/dropoffs only, no checked bags). Basically just a few electronic kiosks for each airline and then a security screening.
From what I remembered. The timeline was this:

Terminal 5 Expansion:
Break ground 2019
Completed in 2021

Sattelite Concourses for Global Terminal:
Break ground 2022
Completed in 2024

Demolish Existing Terminal 2

Global Terminal
Break ground 2024
Completed in 2028

Then again, these dates could easily be delayed with the pandemic.

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Old Posted Mar 19, 2021, 6:24 PM
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An interesting read on some Midway history.


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Operation Midway: Preserving Chicago’s Second Airport

In late November 1990, a Team of Southwest Airlines representatives booked a flight to Chicago, hoping for a Thanksgiving miracle. For months, Southwest had been dogged in its attempts to bolster its presence at Chicago’s Midway International Airport (MDW), where it was offering 43 flights per day from just a few jam-packed gates.

Midway checked all the necessary boxes. It wasn’t dominated by major carriers. It offered easy access to Chicago’s downtown for business travelers. And it provided Southwest access to millions of local leisure flyers.

Acquiring additional gates at MDW, however, was proving difficult because the airport’s gates were occupied by hometown carrier Midway Airlines.

When the Southwest contingent landed in the Windy City, local aviation officials cut to the chase with typical Chicago candor. “As long as Midway Airlines is in existence,” the Commissioner of the Chicago Department of Aviation declared, “[Southwest will] not get any more flights.”

Southwest negotiator and then-Vice President of Government Affairs Ron Ricks thanked the officials for their frankness but closed the meeting with one addendum: “We will abide by [your decision],” Ricks said, “but I’m just going to tell you that this is a horse race, and you just bet on the wrong horse. When Midway Airlines fails, and you’ve got 20 unused gates, you just give us a call and we’ll help you out.”

Four months later, in March 1991, Midwest Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection. The airline’s decline was due to a host of factors, including its decision in 1989 to purchase the Philadelphia operations of Eastern Airlines.

Southwest Chairman and CEO Herb Kelleher hoped to attain gate leases in exchange for payments or a loan that would keep Midway Airlines afloat. Unfortunately, Northwest Airlines, the nation’s fourth-largest airline at the time, offered Midway Airlines an offer that sounded—from the Southwest perspective—too good to be true.

Northwest pledged to buy not just Midway Airlines’ gates but the entire airline and rehire all its employees. When Herb was asked by a bankruptcy judge, under oath, if Southwest could guarantee the same, he said in all honesty he could not, as such a promise defied business logic. He could, however, guarantee Midway Airlines employees preferential hiring treatment—via a fair interviewing process that vetted them against Southwest standards and qualifications—but anything more would be disingenuous.

The coming weeks, however, produced a surprising twist. On November 13, 1991, Northwest did an about face and announced it was abandoning its plans to acquire Midway Airlines.

This news was not met kindly by the mayor of Chicago at the time, who’d made it a priority to improve and expand Midway. He told his aides to get Herb Kelleher on the phone immediately.

Once Herb was on the line, the mayor didn’t mince words: “You want gates?”

“Yes,” Herb replied.

“How many do you want?” countered the mayor.

“All of them,” said Herb—at which point the mayor said he expected to see him in Chicago as soon as possible and hung up.

One major issue remained: The Midway gates had been sold to Northwest. Fortunately, Jim Parker, then-Southwest General Counsel, discovered an escape clause. According to the agreement, the city had the power to allow another airline to occupy Midway’s gates if they were not being used by their primary tenant. If Midway Airlines went bankrupt overnight, which seemed a surety given they’d barely been able to finish out the previous day, Southwest had a potential in.


Herb and the Southwest delegation arrived in Chicago at 1 a.m. on November 14, almost a year to the day from its previous visit. They were followed shortly thereafter by a Team of Employees who had already shipped the equipment they would need to a warehouse near the airport. The battle plans for ”Operation Midway” were drawn up and ready to be executed.

That same morning at 9 a.m., Herb and his legal Team met with the mayor’s aides and sweetened the pot. Southwest pledged $20 million in funds for the development and promotion of the airport, plus a commitment to explore expansion plans at Midway.

At the subsequent press conference announcing the partnership between Southwest and the city, a reporter asked when they could expect to see some signs of Southwest expansion at Midway. A Southwest spokesman quickly leaned into the microphone and announced it had already begun: Anyone who headed over to the airport right now could see the initial work.

Southwest was more than good on its word. On November 15, the Company held a job fair, sitting down with all 3,000 Midway Airlines employees seeking interviews for open or future positions. Some of these Employees hired in 1991 are still with the Company to this day.

Meanwhile, a deal was brokered with Northwest, which relinquished its claim to the gates. The city then leased the gates back to Southwest. In the years that followed, Southwest bolstered its presence at Midway, thanks in part to a number of strategic acquisitions, including various assets of ATA Airlines in 2004, as well as AirTran in 2010.

As of summer 2020, Southwest was offering 245 daily departures from 32 gates at Chicago Midway and estimates its economic impact on the city to be $8 billion annually—numbers that show Operation Midway has benefited both travelers and the city alike.
https://southwest50.com/timeline/ope...econd-airport/
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2021, 8:24 PM
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^ fascinating history.

I had no appreciation for the degree to which southwest's takeover of MDW was so deliberate and highly-orchestrated.
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That is a good read. I do wish that ATA and their sleek fleet of 757s could have won out the day at Midway however. Love that plane.
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That is a good read. I do wish that ATA and their sleek fleet of 757s could have won out the day at Midway however. Love that plane.
Yes, you realize that. ATA is long gone. No longer flying. They cease operation in April 2008.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM
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That is a good read. I do wish that ATA and their sleek fleet of 757s could have won out the day at Midway however. Love that plane.
Yeah, the 757 is the sleekest mainline twin engine ever, IMO.

Such graceful lines.

The 737 is a workhorse beast of an airplane, but she's not much of a looker.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM
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Just found another picture of the O'Hare Global terminal that better shows the satellite concourses as well!



Looks like this will add some A380 gates in addition to the two A380 gates at Terminal 5! And this image shows an A380 parked towards bottom of the middle concourse. I know that some airlines are retiring their A380s, but I still hope that at least Emirates and British Airways bring their A380s back to O'Hare soon! Both have committed to keep their A380s and both have flown the A380 to O'Hare before (Emirates for a one-off and British Airways for 2 years until the pandemic).
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2021, 3:29 PM
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Just found another picture of the O'Hare Global terminal that better shows the satellite concourses as well!



Looks like this will add some A380 gates in addition to the two A380 gates at Terminal 5! And this image shows an A380 parked towards bottom of the middle concourse. I know that some airlines are retiring their A380s, but I still hope that at least Emirates and British Airways bring their A380s back to O'Hare soon! Both have committed to keep their A380s and both have flown the A380 to O'Hare before (Emirates for a one-off and British Airways for 2 years until the pandemic).
Given that production that orders have stopped on the A380 I doubt that there will be many new gates made especially for the A380.

I think we have all seen that render before. With SOM winning the design of the satellite terminals I would expect at least a marginal if not radical redesign of the satellite terminals we see in that picture. Though that one picture doesn't tell us much about the satellite terminals other than a very distant view of the facade. I'm excited to see the detailed SOM renders whenever they do come out, hopefully soon.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2021, 3:48 PM
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Given that production that orders have stopped on the A380 I doubt that there will be many new gates made especially for the A380.

I think we have all seen that render before. With SOM winning the design of the satellite terminals I would expect at least a marginal if not radical redesign of the satellite terminals we see in that picture. Though that one picture doesn't tell us much about the satellite terminals other than a very distant view of the facade. I'm excited to see the detailed SOM renders whenever they do come out, hopefully soon.
Good points. But yeah, what do SOM's satellite concourses look like? I'm guessing this, but the top obviously not connected to the global terminal:



Also, I'm surprised at the lack of news this expansion has been getting. Like ever since the groundbreaking of the T5 expansion and the selection of the Global terminal winner, there has been no news on when things will be complete or the progress. Same for the ATS project.
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It's not surprising ATS news releases have been nonexistent. It's going on a year delayed without a clear completion date as inconvenient bus service between terminals is the new norm. Everything will be quiet until they can host a fancy grand opening party to make everyone forget about this horribly managed project.

Unrelated, but might O'Hare consider renumbering the terminals in the future? It's one confusing Frankenstein of a layout. T1 will have 2 satellites concourses, T2 will be the big global terminal, T3 has 3 wildly different-looking concourses that spur out from the main portion, and T5 is away from the three main terminals. The layout is confusing and isn't conducive for making intuitive sense unless you've been to O'Hare before. I hope the wayfinding can be improved for passengers.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2021, 4:17 PM
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Air Canada has started flying 787's and 777's into ORD daily for parma cargo shipments. This is supposed to go on for several months.

That T5 construction jet bridge has to be the longest I have ever seen. Must be 1/4th of a mile long!!!
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Air Canada has started flying 787's and 777's into ORD daily for parma cargo shipments. This is supposed to go on for several months.

That T5 construction jet bridge has to be the longest I have ever seen. Must be 1/4th of a mile long!!!
Interesting side note regarding 787s.... I wonder if airlines are getting ready to ramp up 787s out of O'Hare.

I say this as I just booked a plane ticket 1-way from ORD to London for late August. The current flight route is an A350, which was what I assumed would be my flight config when I booked it. However, it's listed as a 787-10, and I know this because the seating configuration I can choose from on the airline website (British Airways) clearly shows a 787-10 layout.

Maybe it's very tentative, but just an anecdotal observation.
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Interesting side note regarding 787s.... I wonder if airlines are getting ready to ramp up 787s out of O'Hare.

I say this as I just booked a plane ticket 1-way from ORD to London for late August. The current flight route is an A350, which was what I assumed would be my flight config when I booked it. However, it's listed as a 787-10, and I know this because the seating configuration I can choose from on the airline website (British Airways) clearly shows a 787-10 layout.

Maybe it's very tentative, but just an anecdotal observation.

They have been using 787 8's, 9's, A350-1000's, 777-200's and -300's into ORD over the last month. The -10's have not been to ORD yet but if they actually run the flight with a full passenger load you might get lucky as that's a brand new aircraft.
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