HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #741  
Old Posted Dec 18, 2021, 8:49 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,141
yeah especially with Seattle's rain.

Here is a better look at the store from when it opened. I imagine the new store here will share some of the design and store finishes.

Video Link
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #742  
Old Posted Dec 26, 2021, 12:39 PM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 8,380
Good idea, or nah?

Quote:
The Single-Staircase Radicals Have a Good Point

link

The Seattle-based architect Michael Eliason has a number of complaints about the way America makes its apartment buildings. The components are inferior, he says: The best sliding doors and windows are made elsewhere. The designs rarely accommodate larger families. And there are too many staircases.

Too many what now? Eliason is the founder of Larch Lab and the lead evangelist of a small group of architects and developers intrigued by the possibilities of making multifamily buildings with only one stairway. And conversely, fed up with the North American standards that require most apartments to be accessible by two of them...

... Eliason observes that when you require every apartment to connect to two staircases, you all but ensure those units are built around one long double-loaded corridor, to give all residents access to both stairways. You tilt the scales in favor of larger floor plates in bigger buildings, because developers need to find room for two stairways, and connect them—and then compensate for the unsellable interior space consumed by the corridor.

The designs that result, Eliason argues, are more likely than not to offer smaller, cookie-cutter units constrained by their position along the long hallway. Apartments must look either north or south. Sunlight or shade. Sunrise or sunset. Busy street or quiet back yard. And no one, save perhaps a lucky occupant of a corner unit, gets a cross-breeze.

Cut out one of those staircases, and you can cut out the corridor, too. Narrower sites are suddenly in play. Construction costs go down. The ratio of “rentable” space in a building goes up, which makes development cheaper. That in turn can translate into lower rents or more flexible designs. Two or three units a floor is suddenly more economical, which makes the stairway a more intimate, closely shared space. Family-size units. Units where the living room faces south to the sun and the street and the bedrooms face north to the quiet shade. “In the architecture world it’s hammered in from the beginning that we need two exits from every space,” Eliason said. “But in most other countries, that second means of egress is the fire brigade.”
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #743  
Old Posted Dec 26, 2021, 3:38 PM
ecbin ecbin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut View Post
Good idea, or nah?
Strong agree with the article. Modern fire safety rules are more than sufficient for most low rises to allow single staircases - all the benefits of liveability, more affordability etc are worthwhile and worth the small theoretical increase in fire safety.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #744  
Old Posted Dec 26, 2021, 11:17 PM
MIPS's Avatar
MIPS MIPS is offline
SkyTrain Nut
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Kamloops
Posts: 1,790
Quote:
“In the architecture world it’s hammered in from the beginning that we need two exits from every space,” Eliason said. “But in most other countries, that second means of egress is the fire brigade.”
CACB called: you are insane.
Building a structure and omitting a second exit because "meh, the fire department will figure that out" and "building fires are much less common than they were when single-stair rules were codified" is far too dangerous a mindset to be drafting buildings on. If you cannot integrate a functional and elegant second exit into your building I think its time to reconsider your carreer.
He lists off a number of countries, all of which are considerably higher density than that of cities in North America, then shows off designs for single-exit floorplans, both in countries where questionable construction practices and corruption are a problem.

If not by sheer irony, several days before this article was published it was demonstrated that in a country with solid building practices, excellent fire control systems and strict inspections such as Japan, 24 people died in Osaka when a fire was deliberately set in a building's only entrance and exit.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #745  
Old Posted Dec 27, 2021, 12:21 AM
Changing City's Avatar
Changing City Changing City is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 5,892
Quote:
“In the architecture world it’s hammered in from the beginning that we need two exits from every space,” Eliason said. “But in most other countries, that second means of egress is the fire brigade.”
Right, because it's not as if Seattle and Vancouver are at any risk of an event that might cause multiple buildings to have fires while streets are difficult to get through. Like an earthquake, for example.
__________________
Contemporary Vancouver development blog, https://changingcitybook.wordpress.com/ Then and now Vancouver blog https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #746  
Old Posted Dec 27, 2021, 2:12 AM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 8,380
Preaching to the choir - this sounds like Triangle Shirtwaist 2.0 in the making. Just putting it out there because "affordability."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #747  
Old Posted Dec 27, 2021, 4:16 AM
C3YVR C3YVR is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 183
There was an article written years ago in LA explaining how Vancouver is the NA leader in understanding the value of these type of changes.

https://letsgola.wordpress.com/2015/...eles/#comments
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #748  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2022, 5:36 PM
rofina rofina is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 5,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIPS View Post
CACB called: you are insane.
Building a structure and omitting a second exit because "meh, the fire department will figure that out" and "building fires are much less common than they were when single-stair rules were codified" is far too dangerous a mindset to be drafting buildings on. If you cannot integrate a functional and elegant second exit into your building I think its time to reconsider your carreer.
He lists off a number of countries, all of which are considerably higher density than that of cities in North America, then shows off designs for single-exit floorplans, both in countries where questionable construction practices and corruption are a problem.

If not by sheer irony, several days before this article was published it was demonstrated that in a country with solid building practices, excellent fire control systems and strict inspections such as Japan, 24 people died in Osaka when a fire was deliberately set in a building's only entrance and exit.
How often do building fires even happen in the first world?

I worry that much like everything these days, architecture and design is focusing on "zero level approach."

Thought exercise;
If there were 2000 deaths a year in the world due to missing second exit, do we need to make dramatic changes to code? What if that number is 5000?

At some point risk needs to be recognized and the trade off in a blackswan event might not always be worth the alternative of living in substandard spaces for years on end.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #749  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2022, 5:42 PM
rofina rofina is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 5,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Changing City View Post
Right, because it's not as if Seattle and Vancouver are at any risk of an event that might cause multiple buildings to have fires while streets are difficult to get through. Like an earthquake, for example.
So the trade off of a completely unpredictable event that may or may not happen during the existence of our civilization takes precedent over superior design that would easily provide for better living spaces and therefore increased quality of life, while we are able to enjoy it.

That's what were collectively saying.

The "what if" is taking precedent. We can agree or disagree if that's a good thing, but that's what's happening.

Also - before we swing the pendulum too far; I'm not advocating an approach that would pretend there is zero seismic risk. Clearly that makes no sense. Although given West Coast history, zero risk is closer to reality.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #750  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2022, 6:39 PM
Changing City's Avatar
Changing City Changing City is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 5,892
Quote:
Originally Posted by rofina View Post
So the trade off of a completely unpredictable event that may or may not happen during the existence of our civilization takes precedent over superior design that would easily provide for better living spaces and therefore increased quality of life, while we are able to enjoy it.

That's what were collectively saying.

The "what if" is taking precedent. We can agree or disagree if that's a good thing, but that's what's happening.

Also - before we swing the pendulum too far; I'm not advocating an approach that would pretend there is zero seismic risk. Clearly that makes no sense. Although given West Coast history, zero risk is closer to reality.
You must have an alternate set of seismic data, and read different Geological research scientists from the ones I read.

We're way behind some other west coast cities that have more recent experience of seismic activity, and so have introduced requirements to retro-fit older buildings. We're slowly playing catch-up on critical infrastructure like bridges, and public buildings (including demolishing the 1970s Vancouver City Hall Annex, rather than try to retro-fit it). But there are hundreds of privately owned buildings that will have severe damage, and depending on the strength and type of earthquake, and there could easily be loss of life as well as a huge repair and replacement cost. (Until recently the building code was only designed to prevent the collapse of a building in an earthquake - not to make it useable after the event). And that's only in the past 40 or so years - earlier codes reflected inadequate understanding of the way the plates move in the Pacific Northwest.

There are three types of earthquake that might impact the region, and none have hit the area in the recent past, and all three types could occur at any time. This is all relatively recent science. Until the late 1980s there was no agreement that large (7.5 and above) earthquakes had occurred in the Cascadia zone. The last massive quake wiped out many first nations settlements up and down the coast in 1701. It was in their oral history record, but that was hard to date until Japanese records of the tsunami that hit Japan were matched to the dendrochronology of drowned Western Red Cedars in Washington State.

You only have to look at the damage to Lytton from the fire - the disrupted lives, the lost homes and history and businesses, the replacement of infrastructure. That's a very small settlement - imagine that across the entire Lower Mainland. Now imagine if that sort of damage could be mitigated by intelligent design decisions that avoid having to deal with some of the problems that might arise.

You're obviously right that our civilization could be destroyed by a catastrophic pandemic, or nuclear annihilation, for example, but assuming humanity collectively gets it together to avoid that, damaging seismic activity in the Pacific Northwest is 100% guaranteed, and potentially at any time.
__________________
Contemporary Vancouver development blog, https://changingcitybook.wordpress.com/ Then and now Vancouver blog https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #751  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2022, 7:59 PM
GenWhy? GenWhy? is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 3,671
On two assembled standard lots 2 staircases is not too difficult and should remain. This is looking for a solution when the solution is more obvious and do-able (actual affordable housing / land prices that are astronomical for no reason).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #752  
Old Posted Mar 28, 2022, 9:14 PM
Snow_Wolf Snow_Wolf is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Vancouver area
Posts: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
this is a design for Quadra Island

Why would anyone want to live in that in an area where there's potential for major earthquakes?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #753  
Old Posted Mar 28, 2022, 9:51 PM
WarrenC12 WarrenC12 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: East OV!
Posts: 21,673
YOLO!

Too vertical though. What a pain in the ass going up and down.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #754  
Old Posted Jun 25, 2022, 1:27 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,141
some inspiration for Surrey. A lot of Surrey is a blank slate and there are some interesting developments coming to Surrey so lets add some more interesting ones.


architectism.com

maybe at 108th and 132

brandinginasia.com


archello.com

the safeway site on 104 and KGH

thehaphazardtraveler.com


source designboom


worldkids.es


christiandeportzamparc.com


pinterest.com


archdaily.com


archdaily


architecture.com.au


architecturemedia.net
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #755  
Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 7:06 AM
Sheba Sheba is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: BC
Posts: 4,305
A bit of fun - The Maldives is building the world’s first floating city

Quote:
...

Located a 15-minute boat ride from Malé and the international airport, the project is based on an integrated tourism model, and will include hotels, houses, shops and restaurants. It will be a car-free zone, to be navigated via the canals and the natural white-sand roads on foot or on bicycles and electric, noise-free buggies and scooters.

...

Many factors shaped the design and urban planning, from the projection of sea-rise levels over a 100-year period to the supply and waste management, surplus energy in the smart grid, and the shadows that its large structure would throw on the seabed that might hinder marine life. The city’s grid is “a nature-based structure of roads and water canals resembling the beautiful and efficient way in which real brain coral is organised,” states the project website, explaining that the city will also stimulate coral growth with artificial coral banks attached to its underside, which will in turn provide a natural wave-reduction breaker.

With the threat of climate change, there is a rising interest in floating architecture as a sustainable alternative. While we have traditional examples such as the indigenously created reed islands on Lake Titicaca and Manipur’s manmade aquaculture ponds shaped from floating vegetation, recent innovations include Amsterdam’s floating neighbourhood of Waterbuurt, and floating hotels like Copenhagen’s Hotel CPH Living and France’s Off Paris Seine. If all goes to plan, the world will see its first floating city in 2027.

Large image - A rendering of Maldives Floating City
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #756  
Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 8:16 PM
LeftCoaster's Avatar
LeftCoaster LeftCoaster is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Toroncouver
Posts: 12,629
I was there a couple months ago and took a pic of the nearby work occurring. There's a lot of construction happening just adjacent to Male.





Reply With Quote
     
     
  #757  
Old Posted Jul 28, 2022, 10:50 PM
Sheba Sheba is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: BC
Posts: 4,305
I'm not sure if this is a dream or a nightmare

Quote:
Saudi Arabia is planning to build an entire city along a single line 100 miles long and just 200m wide.

Flanked by 500m high mirrored walls, officials say the megastructure will offer up to 9 million residents a temperate climate and short commutes, all powered by 100% renewable energy.

Named ‘the Line,’ Saudi officials say the project is ‘the city of the future’: a car-free metropolis that will run on 100% renewable energy and offer its residents clean air in an ever more polluted world.

It’s designed to host businesses as well as housing inside numerous vertically-stacked neighbourhoods, with residents facing a maximum commute of 20 minutes from one end of the city to the other.

...


Saudi Arabia wants to build a 100-mile long, 1,600ft tall mirrored ‘vertical’ city Credit : AFP
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #758  
Old Posted Jul 28, 2022, 11:02 PM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 8,380
Nightmare. Still don't know how the Saudis plan on keeping this maintained once the oil runs out.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #759  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 7:41 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,141
two malls recently opened in Asia

Emsphere in Bangkok Thailand, over 2 million sq feet



Video Link


Exchange TRX Mall in Kuala Lumpor Malaysia



Video Link
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #760  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 4:25 PM
jollyburger jollyburger is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 9,539
Land values aren't high enough in Vancouver to make it work.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:21 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.