noirish Los Angeles

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by BDiH

Well put & I agree.

I recently heard somebody mention 1969 as Hollywood's Golden Era. Please

I was selling the Free Press in front of the Pandora's Box site in 1967 and later on the northeast corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Cherokee Avenue. I was a distributor to the hippies that milled around and sold the paper for fifteen cents. There was a Rexall Drugstore on the corner and I remember the pharmacist came outside one day and took me aside. He asked me to move to another location. He was losing business. I didn't move and he soon closed the drugstore. I still feel guilty about that. 1969 was the beginning of the first downward spiral of Hollywood Boulevard.

That Rexall was once a Sontag drugstore and later a Love's restaurant. That address had many incarnations, but my best memory is sitting at the soda fountain at Rexall and ordering a ten cent Coke in a paper cone with crushed ice in a black plastic hour glass style holder. There were drugstore lunch counters all over Hollywood Boulevard back in the day, as well as ones at Woolworth's and Newberry's.

Great memories BD.

The Los Angeles Free Press, also called "The Freep", was among the most widely distributed underground newspapers of the 1960s. It is often cited as the first such newspaper. The Free Press was edited and published weekly, for most of its existence, by Art Kunkin From 1964 till 1978

The FP was THE newspaper that was read by everyone who considered themselves even slightly hip. If you wanted to know what was ''happening " in LA.....read that paper. The weekly print run was only 90,000 copies.


ZBimage

You mention Love's restaurant. Good food but microscopic portions. To get any food, you had to order two meals for each person.

[Hollywood Graham]

Originally Posted by BDiH

Well put & I agree.



I remember when those streetlights were installed. Thank god they are gone!



I recently heard somebody mention 1969 as Hollywood's Golden Era. Please

I was selling the Free Press in front of the Pandora's Box site in 1967 and later on the northeast corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Cherokee Avenue. I was a distributor to the hippies that milled around and sold the paper for fifteen cents. There was a Rexall Drugstore on the corner and I remember the pharmacist came outside one day and took me aside. He asked me to move to another location. He was losing business. I didn't move and he soon closed the drugstore. I still feel guilty about that. 1969 was the beginning of the first downward spiral of Hollywood Boulevard.

That Rexall was once a Sontag drugstore and later a Love's restaurant. That address had many incarnations, but my best memory is sitting at the soda fountain at Rexall and ordering a ten cent Coke in a paper cone with crushed ice in a black plastic hour glass style holder. There were drugstore lunch counters all over Hollywood Boulevard back in the day, as well as ones at Woolworth's and Newberry's.

Having worked in Hollywood in that time and before I would say it was on its way long before '69. I can remember '65 while working parking lots in the area, LAPD Metro would come in for a sweep on the week ends and clean up problems. However it would start over again Monday. I am sure others may have even earlier observations. In the early 50's it was not uncommon to have 10 year olds going to the movies with like age friends to Hollywood, I did. Now NO WAY!!!

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by BDiH

I remember when those streetlights were installed. Thank god they are gone!

I agree! I never liked them. I thought they were cheesy-looking. When I was young I thought maybe they had been installed in the 1970s, but then I was kind of surprised to learn that they might've been installed in the early 1960s? Years ago I saw a film of the 1964 Hollywood premiere of Mary Poppins which took place at the Chinese Theatre, and I saw that already in 1964, Hollywood Boulevard had those shoebox streetlights.

[ethereal_reality]

You're talking about the rectangular lights with five translucent red stars on each side, right?


1974 John A. Mozzer / curbed_la

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[ethereal_reality]

Thanks noirishers for figuring the location of this mystery slide.

1030 MACY STREET [now CESAR E. CHAVEZ].........................................................................................................

eBay




Here's a closer look..courtesy of Floyd B. Bariscale


bigorangelandmark

"The one-story structure’s broad floor plan is an indication that, at some point, the builder had intended
to add a second story and then, at some other point, abandoned the idea." ..-FLOYD (2008)





A Question:

Is there another Victorian/Queen Anne home made of brick remaining in Los Angeles?" ..-FLOYD (2008)


One of the comments on BIG ORANGE LANDMARKS
suggested:


Christian R.




Here is 1431 Valencia Street. (built in 1897) .....hmmm..have we seen this house on NLA?

Wonderful arched windows and doors!...........................................

GSV


It is known today....as the

Go HERE








The house next door is owned by the same organization (since 2002) and is known as the Emmaus House.


GSV North is left.






Street view of the Emmaus House (1433 Valencia St.)


GSV

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[FredH]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

You're talking about the rectangular lights with five translucent red stars on each side, right?


1974 John A. Mozzer / curbed_la

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So, I guess these are the streetlights Tarantino went with in the movie?


laist.com

[Martin Pal]

If one wanted perfect detail in these scenes you'd have to alter or remove all these trees, too.

Screencaps: (LINK)





They did remove the structures now behind the Cinerama Dome:

Originally Posted by BDiH

I remember when those [shoebox] streetlights were installed. Thank god they are gone!
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Originally Posted by sopas ej

I agree! I never liked them. I thought they were cheesy-looking. When I was young I thought maybe they had been installed in the 1970s, but then I was kind of surprised to learn that they might've been installed in the early 1960s? Years ago I saw a film of the 1964 Hollywood premiere of Mary Poppins which took place at the Chinese Theatre, and I saw that already in 1964, Hollywood Boulevard had those shoebox streetlights.
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In looking up photos of Hollywood Blvd. I surmise those streetlights were installed (and I don't know how long it took to install them all) sometime from summer 1960 to mid-1961.

Originally Posted by BDiH

That Rexall [Hollywood & Cherokee] was once a Sontag drugstore and later a Love's restaurant. That address had many incarnations, but my best memory is sitting at the soda fountain at Rexall and ordering a ten cent Coke in a paper cone with crushed ice in a black plastic hour glass style holder. There were drugstore lunch counters all over Hollywood Boulevard back in the day, as well as ones at Woolworth's and Newberry's.
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I remember eating at the Love's restaurant there many times. The last time I recall was in mid-December; on my day off I went to Hollywood Blvd. and I did some Christmas shopping, saw two movies and ate at Love's. One movie you all will know, one you probably won't. I first saw Blaze (don't recall what theatre, but I want to say the Cinerama Dome) and later saw Christmas Vacation at the Chinese. Which means this was 1989 and Christmas Vacation will have its 30th anniversary this year!

I also remember eating at those lunch counters at Newberry's and Woolworth's.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

You're talking about the rectangular lights with five translucent red stars on each side, right?


1974 John A. Mozzer / curbed_la

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They weren't pretty to look at during the day, but I loved the look of them at night:


Pulp Fiction

The exposure is set very low in that shot to get that moody look, but they were very bright in person. I don't know when they went away but I distinctly remember seeing them in the mid 90s. Those lights are indelibly seared into my memory.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I read online somewhere that Quentin Tarantino might release another version of this movie [Once Upon a Time in Hollywood], because as you mentioned, so much was cut out for this release, which I assume is also the same version that was shown at this year's Cannes Film Festival. He said the film could have easily been 4 hours.
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I'd heard that, too, so last week I tried to find that reference online. I did find that exact reference, but in context it isn't what you might think. He did an interview with Anne Thomson for IndieWire right after the Cannes Film Festival screening where Tarantino talked about possibly adding scenes to the movie before it's actual release date in July. (He's done that before it was said.) He was telling her that every person in the film had scenes cut, including Pacino and DiCaprio and some people's only scenes were cut. Tim Roth, whose name is in the credits was not in the movie. In the credits after his name it says: (CUT). Actors scenes playing Burt Reynolds and Dean Martin were cut out. Tarantino said the first cut that his editors gave him was 4 hrs. 40 mins.

As for being the same version released now that was shown at Cannes, not quite. In that Anne Thompson article (right after the Cannes screening) quoting Tarantino saying everyone had scenes cut...he mentions one that he cut of Leonardo's in which he is in The Great Escape film. Well, that scene IS in the actual release. Whether anything else is different in it I don't know, but this might explain why reviews written right after the Cannes screening say the film runs 2 hrs. 19 mins. and reviews for the July release say it is 2 hrs. 21 mins.

I'm told Tarantino doesn't add deleted scenes and such to his media releases. Is that true? Personally, I'd like to see that 4 hr. and 20 min. cut, or at least what was cut out.

[BDiH]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Great memories BD.

The Los Angeles Free Press, also called "The Freep", was among the most widely distributed underground newspapers of the 1960s. It is often cited as the first such newspaper. The Free Press was edited and published weekly, for most of its existence, by Art Kunkin From 1964 till 1978

The FP was THE newspaper that was read by everyone who considered themselves even slightly hip. If you wanted to know what was ''happening " in LA.....read that paper. The weekly print run was only 90,000 copies.


ZBimage

You mention Love's restaurant. Good food but microscopic portions. To get any food, you had to order two meals for each person.

Don't forget Bukowski wrote a regular column ("Notes From a Dirty Old Man") for the Free Press. I also worked in the Free Press Bookstore and Westwood Kazoo in Westwood Village. Art Kunkin would drop by occasionally.

I have a different memory of Love's. A good sized tuna sandwich on a hamburger bun with barbecue sauce and French fries, serviced in a red plastic basket. There was a bar in the back, which could be entered from the rear of the restaurant or from a side door on Cherokee. I spent many hours watching the Watergate Hearings at that bar. Musso & Frank had a better bar across Cherokee, but no TV.

http://www.mussoandfrankgrill.com/

[BDiH]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

Having worked in Hollywood in that time and before I would say it was on its way long before '69. I can remember '65 while working parking lots in the area, LAPD Metro would come in for a sweep on the week ends and clean up problems. However it would start over again Monday. I am sure others may have even earlier observations. In the early 50's it was not uncommon to have 10 year olds going to the movies with like age friends to Hollywood, I did. Now NO WAY!!!

I agree. I remember my mother telling me in the late 1950s that Hollywood had already gone downhill. To me, the culture shock of the late 1960s was the real beginning of the decline. And I accept some blame for it.

You reminded me that in 1959 there was a midnight Halloween movie showing at the Iris Theatre. My mother gave me a note to carry in case I was stopped for being out after curfew. It said, "My son has my permission to attend the midnight movie." Image how far we have come in 60 years. Another mass shooting today in El Paso and last week in Gilroy. What mother today would allow her young child to wander the streets of Hollywood at midnight?

[ethereal_reality]

This closeup of a Hollywood Boulevard 'shoe box' streetlight is from the AARoads forum.


AARoads

It looks like I was wrong about the red stars being translucent.
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[ethereal_reality]

This slide was just listed on eBay

...with this vague description.

VINTAGE SLIDE SL85.... 1978 LOS ANGELES FIRE TRUCK 063A


eBay

Unless I'm mistaken....we're looking north and the large building in the near distance is the old Occidental Life complex. (later the Transamerica Life Bldg.)

THIS PLACE...............................

GSV
..........................................................................................................................................I felt like outlining something in red.




but WAIT...there's a mystery.

What is this sign with a K and E.... It appears to be attached to the fire station.


DETAIL

An old radio sign?


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[ethereal_reality]

The following two [original] photographs are new to NLA. (I checked)


The first one is of the William C. Carr real estate office in the Ridgewood development. Photographer stamp on back: H.A. Varble, Eagle Rock.



eBay

Fantastic photograph!





The second photo is shot of one of the houses; note the lower floor. Photographer stamp on back: H.A. Varble, Eagle Rock.



eBay






You know me, folks. I can't resist a good close-up.


DETAL

I was hoping to see Mr. Carr inside.








I've gone through all the posts where 'Ridgewood' is mentioned...most are about the search for the location of the Ridgewood Military Academy.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...od#post7344028.....NoirCityDame

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...od#post7344822.....Martin Pal

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...od#post7345813.....HossC

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[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by badrunner

The exposure is set very low in that shot to get that moody look, but they were very bright in person. I don't know when they went away but I distinctly remember seeing them in the mid 90s. Those lights are indelibly seared into my memory.

The "shoeboxes" went away in 2005 when the city installed those faux-historic twin teardrop lamps.

As bright as the shoebox lights were, supposedly they lit the street more than the sidewalks. This is why they also added teardrop lamps that hang over the sidewalk, too, supposedly to cut down on crime by lighting the sidewalk better, at least according to an article I read back then in the LA Times. And the red stars on the shoebox lights were indeed supposed to light up; maybe they did at one time, but the wiring had probably deteriorated.

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

This slide was just listed on eBay

...with this vague description.

VINTAGE SLIDE SL85.... 1978 LOS ANGELES FIRE TRUCK 063A


eBay

Unless I'm mistaken....we're looking north and the large building in the near distance is the old Occidental Life complex. (later the Transamerica Life Bldg.)

THIS PLACE...............................

GSV
..........................................................................................................................................I felt like outlining something in red.




but WAIT...there's a mystery.

What is this sign with a K and E.... It appears to be attached to the fire station.


DETAIL

An old radio sign?


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Nope, it's the logo for the Keuffel & Esser Co., maker of slide rules and other science and engineering related instruments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keuffel_and_Esser

Per the 1968 City Directory, their L.A. office was at 1327 S. Olive St., one door north of LAFD Engine Company No. 10 which remains today.

[GaylordWilshire]

While looking into the 6.35-acre pine forest once at the corner of Adams and Western, I've come across an urban remnant that apparently has been in place since the Irving Ingraham house was completed in 1898--reminiscent of the bit of wall at the northwest corner of Wilshire and Lucas, a reminder of the Shatto house up that hill that we've seen here on NLA before. Ingraham's money came from the Connecticut clockworks...he and his Austrian-born wife, Anna, planted the short-lived pine forest perhaps to remind her of home. Surprisingly little imagery of the property survives, but when I went google-driving I noticed this arroyo-stone wall extending from Manhattan Place (cut through the property circa 1924) west to the Ingrahams' property line....

My story on 2000 West Adams Street is here:
https://adamsboulevardlosangeles.blo...-also-see.html

Dinner for you and 25 of your best friends at Romanoff's for anyone who can find a picture--photograph, drawing--of the house, described as being in the "Swiss style," once at the top of the Manhattan Place hill.

[acorn8332]

Originally Posted by FredH

So, I guess these are the streetlights Tarantino went with in the movie?


laist.com

Tarantino went with the 2005 twin teardrops, but this one most likely would have been out of camera view. QT's team has rigged a couple of production lights between the two teardrop luminaires. Probably to give some illumination to the recreated storefronts for the night shots.

[acorn8332]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

This closeup of a Hollywood Boulevard 'shoe box' streetlight is from the AARoads forum.


AARoads

It looks like I was wrong about the red stars being translucent.
.

Not only do I know this light, but I know THIS light. It belongs to Jim Terry of Washington state. Interesting that his photo made its way to NLA!



Another photo from the Jim Terry collection. Note the back of the star, barely visible at the 11 o'clock position.

For some perverse reason, my image posts to NLA have been unsuccessful of late. But the link will take you to the Flicker hosted photo. Is anyone else having problems with Flicker hosted photos?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/134097...in/dateposted/

[Martin Pal]

Maybe at even a short distance these stars just blurred together with the larger lights and weren't noticeable unless you were on top of them.
This photo below seems to show them lit up in the nearest lights. As they recede they aren't at all noticeable.



For all the times I was on Hollywood Blvd. when those lights were there, I do recall the red stars on those light fixtures, but my memory of them is in daylight hours.

The clock above says it's 9:30 p.m. -- "...do you know where your children are?"

Remember those ads?

Originally Posted by BDiH

What mother today would allow her young child to wander the streets of Hollywood at midnight?
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Midnight? I'd say midnight in any decade I would not allow it! Heh!

Whatever happened to bedtimes for school age kids, and by school age I mean up through 12th grade? When I was growing up in the 1960's I had bedtimes I was to adhere to. And by adhere to I mean go to sleep. Bedrooms nowadays are filled with things to entertain you, like cellphones and computers and what have you. I just thought of this amusement: On my first day of college when my parents were helping me move into my dorm room, when we were outside of the dorm two parents were outside the front doors and a new college boy, their son, came outside to see them with his much younger brother, by several years, and the parents said to the younger boy, "What did you think?" The younger boy replied in horror, "There's nothing in there, not even a phone or television!" All the parents in listening distance laughed quite heartily.