AZ Prop 105

HX_Guy · #1 Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 11:09 PM**

Coming up on the election in just one month from tomorrow, I wanted to bring this up again and make sure everyone knows what it is and what it will do.

Prop 105 basically changes the law when it comes to voting to effectively count a "non vote" as a "no vote" for items related to taxes.

Maybe it's just me, but I think an absent vote is a right in itself, and just because I did not vote, or was not able to vote, does not mean I agree or disagree with what is being proposed, and my not voting should not be counted for or against what is being proposed.

I'm actually really surprised there isn't more attention being given to this and there isn't a bigger uprising against it. I mean, what if I'm sick or in the hospital or out of state or whatever and can't make it to the polls...does that mean my vote should count as if I actually went down and voted "no"?
Also, people who are recently deceased or moved out of state or had their voting rights recently revoked would still count as a "no"...how does that make sense? It's absurd and frustrating that this even made it on the ballot.

I urge people to vote no on Prop. 105, or at least if you vote yes, be informed on what exactly you are voting for.

vertex · #2 Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 11:32 PM**

Constitutionally, this sounds really sketchy. I'm voting against it.

PHX31 · #3 Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 11:36 PM**

Thank you, I'll remember this one, and definitely vote NO.

Can we make this into the AZ Propositions Truth thread? I'll do my own research, but it's nice to have people discuss the props and their ramifications... ads are so pointless and misleading.

Remember the Prop (107?) regarding the private property rights... all the ads made it sound like if you didn't vote "yes" you'd instantly give up all of your rights and lose your house to the government via emiment domain.

andrewkfromaz · #4 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 2:29 AM**

That's pretty much par for the course with AZ proposition ads...

combusean · #5 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 3:51 AM**

If HX wants this renamed it's his call. I'm for it, as there's a lot of bad propositions out there and the good ones if any could use a spirited forum for debate.

Oh yeah, I'm voting no on 105--I would hope others do as well!

HooverDam · #6 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 4:02 AM**

Man I've been uber lazy this year in regards to getting up to speed on the propositions, this is the only one Im really familiar with. I'd be all for this becoming a general propositions thread.

Sonoran_Dweller · #7 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 4:13 AM**

You've got me down for NO ON PROP 105.

The NO on prop 105 ad:

• Video Link

The YES on prop 105 ad:

• Video Link

The YES campaign does not seem to speficy that a non vote will be a NO, just saying that everyone should be counted, which makes is seem like all voters are not being treated equally, which in reality is not the case.

PHX31 · #8 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 5:09 AM**

For some reason that "Yes on 107" ad makes me want to go punch them in the face.. maybe knock some sense into them.

Don B. · #9 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 12:13 PM**

None of it matters in the final analysis...the tyranny of the majority shall have it's day.

I'd write more but I'm not comfortable speaking my mind on these issues (for fear of being attacked), so I'll just leave it at that. Life is too short...

--don

PhxPavilion · #10 Posted **Oct 7, 2008, 11:26 PM**

This is a prop that I wouldn't mind if my vote defaulted to no on.

PHX31 · #11 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 12:45 AM**

/\ LOL, that's pretty funny. I wonder if these pro prop 105 people thought about that.

Are we sure that it will count any and all register voters' votes as a "No"? Even the ones that don't/can't show up for election day? Or, will it automatically make a "No" vote on the ballots of only the people that did show up, but decided to skip a certain ballot measure?

If it's the former, I can't imagine anything will ever get passed again, seeing as how it seems like less than 50% of the people actually go to vote.

HX_Guy · #12 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 4:35 AM**

It is the former, that's the astonishing thing!

Here is an article from AZCentral with more information on what it's all about:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...yrule0921.html

Here is a piece from the article:

Quote:

Roughly one in three registered voters sits out Election Day in Arizona. Since 1978, voter turnout has exceeded 70 percent five times and reached 80 percent just once.

Even in a year with exceptional voter turnout, say 75 percent, an initiative affected by Prop. 105 would have to claim support from 68 percent of the ballots cast to be approved. If turnout were lower, which is more typical, the percentage of votes needed for approval could climb to 80 or higher.

Again, I really don't get it how this even made it this far and really hope that it can be overturned by a judge if it does go through, especially with such a misleading title as "Majority Rule - Let the People Decide Act"

PhxSprawler · #13 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 7:55 PM**

While on the topic, there are a few stupid propositions this year that I don't understand how they made it as far as they did.

Prop 105 is a crazy law that doesn't respect the people that actually make the effort to vote.

Prop 102 is an unnecessary state constitutional amendment that was voted down two years ago, and further reiterates the same law that has already been established twice by ballot. Similar propositions will continue to pop up every two years so Mormons can feel better about their bigotry- if they keep passing. A vote for prop 102 is NOT "a vote for Jesus," and people who have this sign in their yards should be crucified.

Also, the payday loan reform will prevent the override from expiring that limits the annual percentage rate to 36% on payday loans. The complex wording doesn't describe well that the loan stores will benefit, and be allowed to continue charging nearly 400% interest.

It seems to be the year legislators think AZ voters are idiots (and I suspect the voters will prove this theory this November), but we'll see.

The Dirt · #14 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 8:55 PM**

This law essentially makes it really easy to vote no and really hard to vote yes. If you want to vote against something, simple: just stay home. If you are pro, then you have to show up to the polls. Well, this makes it really easy to single people out and stop them from showing up at the polls. What a travesty!

SethAZ · #15 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 9:51 PM**

I got my early mail in ballot yesterday. I felt pretty stupid that I knew virtually nothing about Prop 105. (i had been focused on all the others) This thread was very helpful, so thanks to all who gave some insights.
I'm with you PhxSprawler, no on 102.

Vicelord John · #16 Posted **Oct 8, 2008, 11:37 PM**

who the hell would vote yes on this bullshit?

It's unconstitutional.

PhxPavilion · #17 Posted **Oct 9, 2008, 11:43 PM**

I can't help but wonder what kind of agendas the group behind this are trying to push.

Azndragon837 · #18 Posted **Oct 13, 2008, 8:36 AM**

Sean, I agree on making this thread an "Arizona Ballot Propositions" Thread.

I am still up-in-the air about all of the Arizona Ballot Proposition proposals, and I think we all can have a civilized debate on the initiatives. I have my early-voting ballot, and I am still undecided on a few.

But please vote NO on Proposition 105 (Majority Rules) and 102 (Marriage Protection Amendment)!

-Andrew

Vicelord John · #19 Posted **Oct 13, 2008, 3:34 PM**

sorry dude I gotta vote yes on 102. It's not about the marriages, it's about the attitude of the people wanting to change the rules.

PhxSprawler · #20 Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 7:10 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicelord John

sorry dude I gotta vote yes on 102. It's not about the marriages, it's about the attitude of the people wanting to change the rules.

By "people wanting to change the rules," Are you referring to the same-sex couples seeking equal rights or the conservative religious groups trying to infuse religion into laws?

Both are trying to change the rules.