SAN FRANCISCO | Projects: Under Construction, Approved, and Proposed

[timbad]

Originally Posted by AndrewK

That would be 833 Bryant:
https://www.mercyhousing.org/2020/04/13600/

and thanks again! I think I'd completely missed that one

[whitty]

Originally Posted by RST500

Looks like Norman Foster's Oceanwide Center is on hold indefinitely:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...edium=referral

This one is just so disappointing. These are going to be two absolutely massive holes in the ground for *years* I think. Unless someone like Boston Properties buys the whole thing, this ain't moving.

[AndrewK]

Going up Franklin yesterday I noticed that there was work going on at 807 Franklin (the Englander House). They were demolishing what looked to be a later addition to the rear of the building. As a reminder, the old Victorian will be moved to the 600 block of Fulton and this will be built in its place (and on the adjoining empty lot):

http://www.kermanmorris.com/807-franklin

[viewguysf]

Originally Posted by whitty

This one is just so disappointing. These are going to be two absolutely massive holes in the ground for *years* I think. Unless someone like Boston Properties buys the whole thing, this ain't moving.

There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

[whitty]

Originally Posted by viewguysf

There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

Fair, it’s an important distinction that these are fully excavated, sub structures built out to ground or above ground level, and there’s 2 tower cranes up. That’s a big difference. But as Oceanwide LA has shown... even in that state, it could be a while.

[memester]

Originally Posted by whitty

Fair, it’s an important distinction that these are fully excavated, sub structures built out to ground or above ground level, and there’s 2 tower cranes up. That’s a big difference. But as Oceanwide LA has shown... even in that state, it could be a while.

The third crane for the Waldorf Astoria/Condo tower is still onsite (or it was back in late December). Both sites are ready to go above ground if a buyer could be found. The issue, to me, is Oceanwide's expectation it should be paid full price for it's botched project management. Oceanwide proceeded expecting it could cover costs through it's internal cash flow/assets and did not take into account China changing it's overseas investment policies in mid project. It's a sad site, but it is also an entitled site, so someone will want in at some point. All the design and engineering work is paid for, sooooo

[pseudolus]

Originally Posted by viewguysf

There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

Let's hope it doesn't sit idle as long as the Chicago Spire site? How long was the 535 Mission St site idle?

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Let's hope it doesn't sit idle as long as the Chicago Spire site? How long was the 535 Mission St site idle?

The 535 Mission site really was a hole in the ground filled with gravel. Oceanside is much farther along. A better comparison might be 706 Mission where a lot of underground work was done in anticipation of the ultimate completion of the Legoretta design of the Mexican Museum. When 4-Seasons came along with their tower proposal many years later--a totally different type of building--much of this work turned out to be worthless but I don't think that'll happen with Oceanwide. In SF it seems like about half the time to put up a tower is spent on foundation work and below ground work. That would mean these buildings are half-way done. Somebody will pick up the ball but the great unknown is what kind of recovery from the COVID economic catastrophe we'll have: A quick bounce-back or a slow grinding recession. And will the work-from-home boomlet fade as people realize the folks actually coming into the office for face time with the boss are the ones getting promoted (and paid more)? If so, and the value of downtown office space bounces back, Oceanside might not be on hold as long as some think.

[LAisthePlace]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

The 535 Mission site really was a hole in the ground filled with gravel. Oceanside is much farther along. A better comparison might be 706 Mission where a lot of underground work was done in anticipation of the ultimate completion of the Legoretta design of the Mexican Museum. When 4-Seasons came along with their tower proposal many years later--a totally different type of building--much of this work turned out to be worthless but I don't think that'll happen with Oceanwide. In SF it seems like about half the time to put up a tower is spent on foundation work and below ground work. That would mean these buildings are half-way done. Somebody will pick up the ball but the great unknown is what kind of recovery from the COVID economic catastrophe we'll have: A quick bounce-back or a slow grinding recession. And will the work-from-home boomlet fade as people realize the folks actually coming into the office for face time with the boss are the ones getting promoted (and paid more)? If so, and the value of downtown office space bounces back, Oceanside might not be on hold as long as some think.

We down in LA are *quite* eager for Oceanwide SF to get sold as the consensus seems to be that they will use the proceeds from the SF sale to complete the LA property.

Meanwhile it is just hanging out, cranes and all. Same as it ever was...

What a mess.

[viewguysf]

Oceanwide Center (name to undoubtedly be changed) has had its own thread since the beginning and now there are simultaneous conversations going on. Let's stick to its dedicated thread please.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...185537&page=58

[AndrewK]

I took a different route to work than usual yesterday and noticed the oil change station on Valencia across from Zeitgeist had been demolished.

[timbad]

Originally Posted by AndrewK

I took a different route to work than usual yesterday and noticed the oil change station on Valencia across from Zeitgeist had been demolished.

ah, this one

[Jerry of San Fran]

1288 Howard Street and 9th Street The final floor build as of 1/16/2021. In this photo the building in the lower right corner is the micro apartments on Mission Street and 9th Street.

1288 Howard Street @ 9th Street

[timbad]

according to Potrero View, infrastructure work for Phase 2 of Rebuild Potrero is to start this Monday, with construction of the housing itself starting in August

[timbad]

Potrero View also reminded me that at the corner of Third and Evans, at the far north end of Bayview, the new Southeast Community Center is going up, replacing the old India Basin Industrial Park