Rail Transit (Passenger and Freight) in Ontario - Page 9

GreatTallNorth2 · #**161** Posted **Jul 21, 2021, 12:56 PM**

Hopefully some good news for passenger rail for SW Ontario

https://london.ctvnews.ca/federal-ra...sday-1.5516896

Djeffery · #**162** Posted **Jul 21, 2021, 9:24 PM**

https://london.ctvnews.ca/rail-annou...king-1.5517688

Whole lot of nothing, as expected. "An election might be coming, so vote for us and maybe we might consider possibly doing something with rail at some undetermined time in the future. Maybe"

swimmer_spe · #**163** Posted **Jul 21, 2021, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

https://london.ctvnews.ca/rail-annou...king-1.5517688

Whole lot of nothing, as expected. "An election might be coming, so vote for us and maybe we might consider possibly doing something with rail at some undetermined time in the future. Maybe"

Were you expecting something concrete?
This was a way to divert the tears from the HFR.

GoTrans · #**164** Posted **Jul 22, 2021, 12:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

https://london.ctvnews.ca/rail-annou...king-1.5517688

Whole lot of nothing, as expected. "An election might be coming, so vote for us and maybe we might consider possibly doing something with rail at some undetermined time in the future. Maybe"

Absolutely.

Dengler Avenue · #**165** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 2:56 AM**

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6162654

Floppa · #**166** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 1:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6162654

Why does the government just allow single-tracking on the mainlines? It's only a matter of time until this happens again. And next time, it could very well be crude oil or toxic chemicals on one of the trains.

thewave46 · #**167** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 1:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Floppa

Why does the government just allow single-tracking on the mainlines? It's only a matter of time until this happens again. And next time, it could very well be crude oil or toxic chemicals on one of the trains.

Most of the mileage of mainline railways in this country are single track.

I don't know what failed here, but train control is supposed to ensure that only one train occupies any given piece of track.

Dual tracking would cost untold billions.

swimmer_spe · #**168** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by thewave46

Most of the mileage of mainline railways in this country are single track.

I don't know what failed here, but train control is supposed to ensure that only one train occupies any given piece of track.

Dual tracking would cost untold billions.

We used to have more double tack, but it was ripped up to save money.

thewave46 · #**169** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 2:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

We used to have more double tack, but it was ripped up to save money.

The point stands though: Most of the mileage of track in this country is single track and has been for as long as it has existed.

A huge tens of billion-dollars mandate to dual track every piece of mainline track in this country for the rare failure of train control is asinine.

swimmer_spe · #**170** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by thewave46

The point stands though: Most of the mileage of track in this country is single track and has been for as long as it has existed.

A huge tens of billion-dollars mandate to dual track every piece of mainline track in this country for the rare failure of train control is asinine.

With the backlog of freight around the world, and in Canada, it isn't asinine to think that if it could move more freely, it would not face as many backlogs. Pick the busiest subdivisions and double track them.

Dengler Avenue · #**171** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the backlog of freight around the world, and in Canada, it isn't asinine to think that if it could move more freely, it would not face as many backlogs. Pick the busiest subdivisions and double track them.

That’d make sense. Twin tracks strategically (just as with TCH

).

thewave46 · #**172** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the backlog of freight around the world, and in Canada, it isn't asinine to think that if it could move more freely, it would not face as many backlogs. Pick the busiest subdivisions and double track them.

Sell the idea to CN and CP.

thewave46 · #**173** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That’d make sense. Twin tracks strategically (just as with TCH

).

If you wanted double track across the country, one could literally just merge CN and CP.

Have one company's tracks be westbound exclusively and the other set eastbound. It wouldn't cost a nickel in new trackage, as they're already built.

Now whether that's a good idea from a competition point of view? That's a different take.

Forcing each company to build double track? As in - there's 4 sets of track across remote Canada? Seems wasteful.

Dengler Avenue · #**174** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by thewave46

Sell the idea to CN and CP.

I mean, if they no longer “race to the bottom” (quoting @swimmer_spe), they may be receptive.
As for your idea, CN and CP actually share double tracks in select part of interior B.C., IIRC, so it may be tenable.

swimmer_spe · #**175** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 4:12 PM**

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Sell the idea to CN and CP.

I don't have enough initials after my name on my resume for them to even let me in the door.

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Originally Posted by thewave46

If you wanted double track across the country, one could literally just merge CN and CP.

Have one company's tracks be westbound exclusively and the other set eastbound. It wouldn't cost a nickel in new trackage, as they're already built.

Now whether that's a good idea from a competition point of view? That's a different take.

Forcing each company to build double track? As in - there's 4 sets of track across remote Canada? Seems wasteful.

They do that and where they do it, those are some of the busier sections that should be double tracked first.

roger1818 · #**176** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 6:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Floppa

Why does the government just allow single-tracking on the mainlines? It's only a matter of time until this happens again. And next time, it could very well be crude oil or toxic chemicals on one of the trains.

You do realize that the section of track that this collision occurred on is double tracked. Double track doesn't guarantee that all trains will always be travelling the same direction.

thewave46 · #**177** Posted **Sep 26, 2021, 1:19 PM**

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You do realize that the section of track that this collision occurred on is double tracked. Double track doesn't guarantee that all trains will always be travelling the same direction.

This. Rail operations aren't the same as freeways for cars, especially for infrequent services like freight.

swimmer_spe · #**178** Posted **Sep 26, 2021, 3:32 PM**

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This. Rail operations aren't the same as freeways for cars, especially for infrequent services like freight.

Maybe it should be. I'd think it would be more efficient to run them one direction per track.

thewave46 · #**179** Posted **Sep 26, 2021, 3:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Maybe it should be. I'd think it would be more efficient to run them one direction per track.

How so? Train control - if properly implemented - generally means that collisions are a non-issue.

This is more a fluke than anything. Derailments for other causes are much more common than actual collisions.

swimmer_spe · #**180** Posted **Sep 26, 2021, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by thewave46

How so? Train control - if properly implemented - generally means that collisions are a non-issue.

This is more a fluke than anything. Derailments for other causes are much more common than actual collisions.

Currently there is a high demand for moving freight. By keeping the tracks directional, you should be able to move more