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Old Posted Jan 10, 2021, 9:28 PM
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Our new Roaring 20s?

The 1920s was truly roaring and, despite what egocentric Baby Boomers like to claim, was the decade that changed everything. It was probably the most economically, socially, politically, and culturally the most revolutionary decade this planet has ever had in it's history or since. Of course nothing changes profoundly without a need and desire for change and most sociologists agree that the end of WW1 and the very deadly 1919 Pandemic were the catalyst. People exhaled a collective 'phew....we made it' and decided to have a decade long party where their inhibitions were tossed out the window.

There are signs that we could be entering a similar phase post-COVID. The change in attitudes in terms of environmental concerns, 'build back better', and working from home are already showing themselves. People are also realising how much they miss inter-personal contact that the IPhone simply can't replace.

Are we heading for a Roaring 20s Part 2?
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2021, 9:37 PM
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This has oddly come up a lot for me over the past few days. A friend mentioned the building excitement here after reading a CBC article with people who came home from the mainland and couldn’t believe how normal life is here right now. She specifically said she’s looking forward to the roaring 20s. And I saw it some YouTube video too, I think Bob the Drag Queen talking to someone. Fingers crossed.

Though I fear we will be reliving the 40s sooner rather than later. I don’t believe it’ll directly impact my life here, but I think we can expect a few repeats of Oklahoma City in the coming years. Hopefully Trump and Brexit turned out to be enough of a cautionary tale to prevent us going full 40s.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2021, 9:52 PM
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The 1920s was truly roaring and, despite what egocentric Baby Boomers like to claim, was the decade that changed everything. It was probably the most economically, socially, politically, and culturally the most revolutionary decade this planet has ever had in it's history or since. Of course nothing changes profoundly without a need and desire for change and most sociologists agree that the end of WW1 and the very deadly 1919 Pandemic were the catalyst. People exhaled a collective 'phew....we made it' and decided to have a decade long party where their inhibitions were tossed out the window.

There are signs that we could be entering a similar phase post-COVID. The change in attitudes in terms of environmental concerns, 'build back better', and working from home are already showing themselves. People are also realising how much they miss inter-personal contact that the IPhone simply can't replace.

Are we heading for a Roaring 20s Part 2?
Not much changed for the better in the 20's at all Women were still repressed, racism was still strive, there was huge wealth inequality Stalin started his grip on Russia to me it was a nothing decade the 30's 40's and 60's had way more consequential results than the 1920's which was only really known for underground drinking.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2021, 9:56 PM
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There was nothing roaring in Quebec in the 20's. no prohibition in Quebec ?
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Not much changed for the better in the 20's at all Women were still repressed, racism was still strive, there was huge wealth inequality Stalin started his grip on Russia to me it was a nothing decade the 30's 40's and 60's had way more consequential results than the 1920's which was only really known for underground drinking.
Yeah because no man ever lost a limb or got shot in the battle field, because of his gender.

If you never used a step ladder//lathe/drill/press etc don't pretend you know anything about what men went through in pre modern economy.

This is why socialist narratives are just so out to lunch.

Pencil pushers talking about how capitalism exploited people. Meanwhile they can't even shingle their own roof.

I'll let you have the argument that the dangerous lives of men has receded, and that in modern times men "choose" to do dangerous work.

But I have zero patience that women were singled out in the 1920s.

Your attitude just smacks of a spoiled modern life style.

Even if a perfect 1920s socialist paradise, men would be getting hurt from industrial work.

Our society was built on men doing very dangerous and dirty jobs. They were slaves, they were people that sacrificed everything for our privilege.

To be safe you need the capital to invest in safety.

The 1920s was radically better than 1900. And 1935 was radically better than 1910.

How people like you want to shit all over eras of such immense progress is beyond me.
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Basing a finding of a trend merely on the decade number is dumb. What makes the 20s different from the teens?
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This has oddly come up a lot for me over the past few days. A friend mentioned the building excitement here after reading a CBC article with people who came home from the mainland and couldn’t believe how normal life is here right now. She specifically said she’s looking forward to the roaring 20s. And I saw it some YouTube video too, I think Bob the Drag Queen talking to someone. Fingers crossed.

Though I fear we will be reliving the 40s sooner rather than later. I don’t believe it’ll directly impact my life here, but I think we can expect a few repeats of Oklahoma City in the coming years. Hopefully Trump and Brexit turned out to be enough of a cautionary tale to prevent us going full 40s.
Trumps always been a red herring.

Someone screaming that they're gonna take you out with a baseball usually doesn't live long enough to use it.

We're actually quite lucky that the planet is turning gray. Despite the economic issues a lack of young men in all likelihood is gonna result in far less violence. Old people want security so I'd take it for granted that overall things will get more peaceful.

I do think politically the US is fucked, but I see it more of a Quebec ROC conflict. Maybe with the added heat of an intensified FLQ type group. It sucks because the left has the simple ability to recognize that conservatives need cultural protections to back down. But if you compare it to our neighbors in mexico I don't think it'll get that bad.

Canada I think will do relatively well if we can steer clear of far left politics, and be the safe neutral power in that conflict.

To me the true optimism comes from working from home. It could transform the world we live in. It's the potential to radical alter our economic geography.

Make a place like Bonavista a viable place for 20 year olds etc.

Me and my wife are dead set in living somewhere rural if this all works out.

We've taken the last 3 centuries for urbanization for granted.

I'm in love with the idea that one can live in a rural place and still maintain a digital form of diversity found only in cities.
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Basing a finding of a trend merely on the decade number is dumb. What makes the 20s different from the teens?
Covid/Moving on from the spanish flue/ww1.

Just the same the 50s was moving on from ww2, 60s the birth control pill and the post war generation becoming a relevant part of society.

The 90s was obviously tied heavily in with the start of the soviet union.

The 2000s was the crash of the dotcom bubble/terrorism and high oil prices.

2010s isn't well defined but I'd argue the arab spring of 2011 was a signifying moment.
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If the economy collapses, it could look more like the dirty thirties.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2021, 11:56 PM
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Yeah because no man ever lost a limb or got shot in the battle field, because of his gender.

If you never used a step ladder//lathe/drill/press etc don't pretend you know anything about what men went through in pre modern economy.

This is why socialist narratives are just so out to lunch.

Pencil pushers talking about how capitalism exploited people. Meanwhile they can't even shingle their own roof.

I'll let you have the argument that the dangerous lives of men has receded, and that in modern times men "choose" to do dangerous work.

But I have zero patience that women were singled out in the 1920s.

Your attitude just smacks of a spoiled modern life style.

Even if a perfect 1920s socialist paradise, men would be getting hurt from industrial work.

Our society was built on men doing very dangerous and dirty jobs. They were slaves, they were people that sacrificed everything for our privilege.

To be safe you need the capital to invest in safety.

The 1920s was radically better than 1900. And 1935 was radically better than 1910.

How people like you want to shit all over eras of such immense progress is beyond me.
What the fuck are you talking about are you sniffing gas right now or something? I am conservative first of all and second of all I wish men were treated with more respect in this era we live in and not subjected as criminals at every turn and I respect the hard and dangerous work men have done. I was merely stating that in the 20's women were not treated well compared to other era's of the 20th century.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2021, 12:04 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about ....
It's incel/men's rights forum taking points. If it sounds crazy well now you know what kind of forums you have to frequent to end up with that viewpoint.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2021, 12:38 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about are you sniffing gas right now or something? I am conservative first of all and second of all I wish men were treated with more respect in this era we live in and not subjected as criminals at every turn and I respect the hard and dangerous work men have done. I was merely stating that in the 20's women were not treated well compared to other era's of the 20th century.
Fair enough, sorry about that.
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It's incel/men's rights forum taking points. If it sounds crazy well now you know what kind of forums you have to frequent to end up with that viewpoint.
My point was specifically that the pressure on men in the past was undeniable, as in missing limbs and all that fun.

As I said I'm more open about what men "choose" to do in the current era.
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In term of infrastructures and tall towers, yes Montréal will probably have its own 20's moments, but in term of the economy, other than having a really low unemployment rate, the only change I could see in the province would be a complete change in the local food industry. Quebec will put whatever it takes to be autonomous in a number of essential domains.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2021, 2:23 AM
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We are already seeing a monumental shift in our work patterns that under normal circumstances may have taken 2 decades. The huge work-at-home movement can have profound impacts on birth rates, education, daycare, our commuting patterns, public transportation, unionisation, and even how we view work itself. We are already seeing the 'build back better' infrastructure plans that will change the way we live, our transportation policies, sustainability, future fuel developments, and climate change.

Yes, the '20s' are just a number but each decade does represent it's own set of priorities, values, norms, and advances. It is illogical but doesn't make it any less true. Our ideals and values don't change over night but usually large socio-economic-political movements that have been building for years often need a catalyst to put them into action..............the straw that broke the camel's back. We have seen this in the last years with the election of Trump ushering profound political stratification or the black murder in Minny that has set the BLM movement on fire.
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The song was seems to be this decades anthem.
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The "roaring '20s" analogue ended in 2008. This is something else.
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Boomers claimed the 20's were roaring?

Boomers were born 40 years after the 1920s ended. I don't think they give a crap what went on in the 1920s.
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I can see an argument for predicting a "roaring 20s". Primarily focused on the entertainment industry. At some point during this year, we'll have enough vaccinations that restrictions can finally be lifted. When that happens, people are gonna let loose. Concerts, shows, sports games... everything we couldn't do this year, people want will want to go do what they used to do, and then some.
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