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Old Posted Nov 21, 2020, 2:39 PM
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I guess it's nearly impossible to drive during a snow storm
I can count on one hand the number of times I felt it was not safe to drive. It is usually when a system drops a large amount of snow over a short period of time (if it is over an extended period of time the accumulation can be dealt with more easily). I find freezing rain is much worse than snow.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2020, 2:55 PM
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The only times I have felt it unsafe to drive is during white-out conditions (extremely limited visibility due to blowing snow and/or high snowfall rates). Usually the worst white-outs are during snow squalls, although I have seen really bad white-outs in the country (where there are farmers fields) after a snowstorm, only because of wind driven snow drifting over the road from the fields.

It's all just experience. You develop a sense for where travel conditions will be bad - mountain passes, steep hills, open countryside with drifting snow, roads near lakes or oceans with onshore winds producing squall activity. On a long road trip, the danger areas might constitute only 5-10% of the trip.

For example, on a trip from Halifax to Moncton during a snowfall, you can pretty much expect this scenario:
1) - Halifax to Truro - rain
2) - around Truro to Debert - some squall activity off of Cobequid Bay
3) - Cobequid Pass - accumulating snow due to increasing elevation and slippery roads on the hills
4) - northern Nova Scotia to Amherst - improving conditions due to flatter terrain and distance from the seacoast.
5) - Amherst to Sackville - very windy on the Tantramar Marsh, lots of drifting and maybe some squall activity.
6) - Sackville to Moncton - falling temperatures, elevated terrain and maybe wraparound squalls from the Northumberland Strait leading to increased snow accumulation and worsening road conditions.

And, as le Calmar said, freezing rain is far worse than snow. At least your tires have some traction on snow. Freezing rain produces a skating rink. If you hit black ice, all you can do is take your foot off the gas pedal, gear down (if possible), steer very gently, and don't apply your brakes unless you really have to.

Maritime storms usually start out with a brief shot of snow, transitioning to freezing rain, then rain, then back to snow as the trailing cold front passes through. You learn to pay close attention to the detailed weather forecast so that you know the exact best time to get on the road. Even an error of 30-45 minutes can make all the difference.
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I can count on one hand the number of times I felt it was not safe to drive. It is usually when a system drops a large amount of snow over a short period of time (if it is over an extended period of time the accumulation can be dealt with more easily). I find freezing rain is much worse than snow.
I think driving in freezing rain on steeply sloping roads is equivalent to a suicide attempt
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2020, 6:10 PM
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The only times I have felt it unsafe to drive is during white-out conditions (extremely limited visibility due to blowing snow and/or high snowfall rates). Usually the worst white-outs are during snow squalls, although I have seen really bad white-outs in the country (where there are farmers fields) after a snowstorm, only because of wind driven snow drifting over the road from the fields.

It's all just experience. You develop a sense for where travel conditions will be bad - mountain passes, steep hills, open countryside with drifting snow, roads near lakes or oceans with onshore winds producing squall activity. On a long road trip, the danger areas might constitute only 5-10% of the trip.

For example, on a trip from Halifax to Moncton during a snowfall, you can pretty much expect this scenario:
1) - Halifax to Truro - rain
2) - around Truro to Debert - some squall activity off of Cobequid Bay
3) - Cobequid Pass - accumulating snow due to increasing elevation and slippery roads on the hills
4) - northern Nova Scotia to Amherst - improving conditions due to flatter terrain and distance from the seacoast.
5) - Amherst to Sackville - very windy on the Tantramar Marsh, lots of drifting and maybe some squall activity.
6) - Sackville to Moncton - falling temperatures, elevated terrain and maybe wraparound squalls from the Northumberland Strait leading to increased snow accumulation and worsening road conditions.

And, as le Calmar said, freezing rain is far worse than snow. At least your tires have some traction on snow. Freezing rain produces a skating rink. If you hit black ice, all you can do is take your foot off the gas pedal, gear down (if possible), steer very gently, and don't apply your brakes unless you really have to.

Maritime storms usually start out with a brief shot of snow, transitioning to freezing rain, then rain, then back to snow as the trailing cold front passes through. You learn to pay close attention to the detailed weather forecast so that you know the exact best time to get on the road. Even an error of 30-45 minutes can make all the difference.
WOW !!!! I followed the road route you described on Google Earth! Fantastic! Better than an adventure novel by famous writers like Jules Verne, Robert Louis Stevenson or Emilio Salgari but in an Arctic-Canadian version. I imagined I was in your place. For me, following your Nordic stories is continuous orgasm
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Highs 3 2 2 3 3 1 -1

Lows -2 -1 0 0 -2 -4

We don't get very big temperature swings between highs and lows in the winter.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2020, 9:47 PM
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Sunny and 5C at 1pm.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2020, 5:08 AM
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5C and sunny this afternoon. Turnout out to be a much better day than forecasted.

As mild as 10C last night.

The warmspot was Western Head, NS at 16.7C.
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Highs 3 2 2 3 3 1 -1

Lows -2 -1 0 0 -2 -4

We don't get very big temperature swings between highs and lows in the winter.
Any snow in town in Castlegar?

There is none in town in Nelson according to my parents and none in the Okanagan, actually quite mild there the last few days.
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Same again. Mostly grey, chilly.
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Sunny again in Moncton today, but considerably colder, currently only -2C at 9 AM, with an expected daily high of +1C.

+11C tomorrow and rain. The roller coaster continues.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2020, 2:15 PM
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Yesterday was a pleasant and sunny day, up around 7c. I was able to finally rake the leaves, our short winter spell is over and we are back to Fall.

This week its looking like a range of 4c-5c and mostly sunny. Just a hair above the average, ill take it.
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Any snow in town in Castlegar?

There is none in town in Nelson according to my parents and none in the Okanagan, actually quite mild there the last few days.
No just the usual parking lot snow piles. Castlegar is milder,sunnier and drier than Nelson so we usually have less than them.
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Southern Ontario is getting hit by the first substantial snowfall today. 5-15 cm is expected depending on the area.
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About 5cm of snow this morning in Norfolk County. Thick heavy stuff. I put my winter tires on yesterday, apparently just in time.

Diving home it was snow all the way till the escarpment. Turned to rain on the way down the hill, no snow whatsoever at our house.
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Looks like we will have a decent week ahead with highs around 1-3 degrees. EC has a forecast high of 15 on Friday, but I'll believe that when I see it.
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A good day to take transit ... or walk in my case: almost a foot of snow in KW
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Ugh, love. Streetcars are my thing. I don't care how commuter, how crowded, how dirty... I just LOVE them and I'm not afraid to admit it. And it is because of hick/provincial lack of familiarity, I'm sure. But, whatever. It's like whale watching tours here... the stuck up cunt kids from Cabbagetown who refuse to crack a smile? Meh. The ones from, I don't know Toronto's suburbs (lol), let's say... Oakville... who gasp and point and freak the fuck out. Those are my people. Never stifle joy. And streetcars are that for me. I would have to fight to hide my smile every single time I stepped onto one lol

The streetcar straight from Edinburgh's airport to Princes Street... YUM.
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Some heavy wet snow today, but it is currently raining.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2020, 12:58 AM
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^ion lrt is probably the nicest cleanest friendliest lrt experience in Canada. However just 11 days ago near here a 13 year old kid biking home from school was struck and seriously injured: I saw the Orange helicopter land right there kinda freaky. Hope he's ok.

I've ridden streetcars thousands of times, especially in Toronto but last year before I bought a car (one year ago exactly ha) riding the ion always made me feel happy: KW finally made it to the big league! (It was the GO train between KW & TO that forced me to consider buying a car: I was left stranded three times in freezing cold/snowy conditions and waited hours hauling all my luggage.) However, I still prefer the 7 bus along King St because it stops more frequently and oddly enough is often faster.
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Ugh, love. Streetcars are my thing. I don't care how commuter, how crowded, how dirty... I just LOVE them and I'm not afraid to admit it. And it is because of hick/provincial lack of familiarity, I'm sure. But, whatever. It's like whale watching tours here... the stuck up cunt kids from Cabbagetown who refuse to crack a smile? Meh. The ones from, I don't know Toronto's suburbs (lol), let's say... Oakville... who gasp and point and freak the fuck out. Those are my people. Never stifle joy. And streetcars are that for me. I would have to fight to hide my smile every single time I stepped onto one lol

The streetcar straight from Edinburgh's airport to Princes Street... YUM.
Ohhhh then finally now I can say that Palermo has something that doesn't have st. john's. Now I can go to sleep peacefully. Ok, so my little gift; the trams of Palermo but, unfortunately, without snow



https://gsud.cdn-immedia.net/2019/01/tram-palermo.jpg

https://sicilianews24.it/wp-content/...-palermo-8.jpg

https://www.ferrovie.info/images/tra..._palermo_1.jpg

https://www.inuovivespri.it/wp-conte.../05/tram-4.jpg

https://www.amat.pa.it/wp-content/up...me/Tram2-1.jpg

https://www.monrealepress.it/wp-cont...2/IMG_8997.jpg

https://www.rosalio.it/wp-content/tr...rtolosera2.jpg

https://www.inuovivespri.it/wp-conte...1/tram-cep.jpg

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/me...e-del-tram.jpg

https://www.ferrovie.info/images/tra..._palermo_2.jpg

https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-conten...o-1280x720.jpg

This instead is the old Palermo tram from the early twentieth century


https://gdsit.cdn-immedia.net/2015/1...-1-842x505.jpg

https://www.medioalias.com/images/int_palermo/174.Jpg

https://palermo.mobilita.org/wp-cont...99389927_n.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...b4J1ajBmSFmjTL

https://www.professionearchitetto.it...am-palermo.jpg

https://files.spazioweb.it/aruba89651/image/tram.jpg
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