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[williamphilapa]

01.21.2020




https://photos.app.goo.gl/fLH3FqRRgnxzjuyN7

[bigfish]

Great shot williamphilpa. One question I see some ground being moved at what looks like 12th st between Noble and Hamilton. Is a project going in there? Its hard to keep up with everything.

[PhilliesPhan]

I forgot to post these yesterday, 1/23:

[PhilliesPhan]

This jawn has become much beefier as of 2/19:



Also, how awesome would it be to have the parking lot in the foreground subdivided and developed, with something reaching 12+ stories rising on the Broad Street portion of the parcel?! Redeveloping that and the vacant lot to the north of 676 N. Broad (along with that property and the entire southwestern corner of Broad and Ridge/Fairmount) would represent a new gateway into Francisville!

[SEFTA]

So impressive, to see this area coming together in such an ambitious way.

[reparcsyks]

Only a matter of time until the giant parking lot you are standing in to take this photo becomes a 20-30 story building.

[GtownFriend]

Divine Lorraine Hotel and Cranes by Tom Ipri, on Flickr

[Capsule F]

Originally Posted by reparcsyks

Only a matter of time until the giant parking lot you are standing in to take this photo becomes a 20-30 story building.

That PCA parking lot makes me want to kill myself. Any agency that uses/doesn't sell a parking lot right on Broad Street should be shut down, because they evidently have questionable judgement.

[arkitect13]

Originally Posted by williamphilapa

01.21.2020




https://photos.app.goo.gl/fLH3FqRRgnxzjuyN7

Honestly if i didnt know better, when i looked at this or u-city i would think they were different cities with their own skylines. I cant get over how fast and how much this city has changed in the past decade. Skyscraper forests, and skyscrapers in general are sprouting up faster then we can count, the population is expected to hit an alltime high in a few years. And we have 2 maybe 3 master plans starting or finishing (lower Schuylkill, 30th st district, schuylkill yards, deleware waterfront) I cant wait to see thiscity at the end of the next decade.

[arkitect13]

Also in the picture their are 2 cranes one is for this but whats the other?

[el don]

Originally Posted by arkitect13

Honestly if i didnt know better, when i looked at this or u-city i would think they were different cities with their own skylines. I cant get over how fast and how much this city has changed in the past decade. Skyscraper forests, and skyscrapers in general are sprouting up faster then we can count, the population is expected to hit an alltime high in a few years. And we have 2 maybe 3 master plans starting or finishing (lower Schuylkill, 30th st district, schuylkill yards, deleware waterfront) I cant wait to see thiscity at the end of the next decade.

WHaaaaat?

[Knight Hospitaller]

^Yeah. I’m not getting that either. If I’m not mistaken the population within the Philadelphia city limits was 2 1/2 million when my mother was a child in the mid to late 1930s. We are a long way from catching up to that.

[iamrobk]

The City's population peaked just shy of 2.1m in the 1950's. As much as I'd love it, don't think we're approaching that number again any time soon lol.

[arkitect13]

Theres many different articles that show the population is increasing faster then it has in the past 10 years or longer. Most major city projects are residential and they are filling fast most have 2-3 people in each. And i didnt mean wthin the next decade for population. Within the next 15-20 years at most populatin projections have the city at over 2.5 million and closer to 3

[Urbanthusiat]

Originally Posted by arkitect13

Theres many different articles that show the population is increasing faster then it has in the past 10 years or longer. Most major city projects are residential and they are filling fast most have 2-3 people in each. And i didnt mean wthin the next decade for population. Within the next 15-20 years at most populatin projections have the city at over 2.5 million and closer to 3

Certainly none of the projections I've seen...

In fact the official numbers show that city population growth has slowed as this cycle has worn on. I do feel good about Philly's growth prospects going forward, but the city is most definitely not getting back to 2m in the next 20 - probably even 30 - years. I would love to be wrong but... I don't think I will be.

YoY population growth since 2010

2011: 12,029
2012: 11,475
2013: 6,574
2014: 7,233
2015: 5,654
2016: 5,132
2017: 3,831
2018: 3,917

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Certainly none of the projections I've seen...

In fact the official numbers show that city population growth has slowed as this cycle has worn on. I do feel good about Philly's growth prospects going forward, but the city is most definitely not getting back to 2m in the next 20 - probably even 30 - years. I would love to be wrong but... I don't think I will be.

YoY population growth since 2010

2011: 12,029
2012: 11,475
2013: 6,574
2014: 7,233
2015: 5,654
2016: 5,132
2017: 3,831
2018: 3,917

To be fair, the census estimates often lowball cities like Philly and Chicago. We always see a huge jump in population every 10 years when the actual census is taken. Be that as it may, I agree that arkitect seems to be pulling numbers out of his ass.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Certainly none of the projections I've seen...

In fact the official numbers show that city population growth has slowed as this cycle has worn on. I do feel good about Philly's growth prospects going forward, but the city is most definitely not getting back to 2m in the next 20 - probably even 30 - years. I would love to be wrong but... I don't think I will be.

YoY population growth since 2010

2011: 12,029
2012: 11,475
2013: 6,574
2014: 7,233
2015: 5,654
2016: 5,132
2017: 3,831
2018: 3,917

Yup, count me as optimistic on Philadelphia's growth as well, but no way in hell we'll be at 2.1 million again anytime soon. People tend to think that if we were at 2.1 million before we could get back there again without needing to build much, but that fails to account for the enormous drop in average household sizes since the time Philadelphia had 2.1 million people. Philadelphia has enough housing stock to house 2.1 million if people were living 5 people or more to each housing unit like they were in the early 20th century. Considering our average household size is like half what it was during that time, we'd have to build a ton to get back up to 2.1 million.

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by allovertown

Yup, count me as optimistic on Philadelphia's growth as well, but no way in hell we'll be at 2.1 million again anytime soon. People tend to think that if we were at 2.1 million before we could get back there again without needing to build much, but that fails to account for the enormous drop in average household sizes since the time Philadelphia had 2.1 million people. Philadelphia has enough housing stock to house 2.1 million if people were living 5 people or more to each housing unit like they were in the early 20th century. Considering our average household size is like half what it was during that time, we'd have to build a ton to get back up to 2.1 million.

NYC is basically the only old east coast city that has matched and surpassed its boom time peak population. Even DC hasn't recovered all of its lost population in spite of crazy growth over last 20 years. Baltimore is actually still losing population. I dont know Boston's peak off the top of my head but Im pretty sure it's been higher than it is now.

edit- Boston's population peaked in 1950 at 800k- its estimated to be 694k now. It bottomed out in 1980, roughly 20 years before Philly hit its low point.

[Groundhog]

The only way Philly gets over 2 million in the next 30 years is catastrophic climate change impacting NYC - not ideal for anyone, and getting off topic for this forum, but still it's not out of the range of possibilities. (hoping this doesn't happen)

[mcgrath618]

Back on topic, I find it very interesting that this building is about 2/3 of the way done, and we still don't quite know what it'll look like.