NEW YORK | World Trade Center Memorial & Transit Hub

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

The LIRR and the Metro North is way too far to serve the World Trade Center. PATH doesn't run anywhere near an airport. The A line is the only subway line that serves JFK Airport and would run to the World Trade Center. That is it.

You misunderstood my point...

[babybackribs2314]

Today's update on the site; the 'spine' of the future wings is in full view!

Calatrava Transit Hub June 2013 Construction Update

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

The LIRR and the Metro North is way too far to serve the World Trade Center.

But the LIRR could access the WTC via the current line to Flatbush Ave. It's already 90% operational between JFK and the WTC. You just need to get the LIRR from downtown Brooklyn to the WTC terminal. That was the plan under the Pataki and Spitzer administrations, and the MTA budgeted $2 billion for the new tunnel (which wouldn't have been enough on it's own, but would have made huge progress).

I don't how much of that $2 billion is still hanging around, though. It's officially "on hold", and you know how transit projects take forever.

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

PATH doesn't run anywhere near an airport. The A line is the only subway line that serves JFK Airport and would run to the World Trade Center. That is it.

PATH runs very close to Newark Airport, and is being expanded to Newark Airport. It's already in the PATH budget.

No one is talking about subway expansion to JFK airport. You already have the A, E, J, and Z trains connecting to Airtrain, so if you want to take the subway to JFK you have multiple options.

The issue is getting faster limited-stop or nonstop trains to JFK, which was the plan with LIRR. The Airtrain is not an airport monorail; it's double-tracked and built to accommodate heavy rail trains, so you could run LIRR trains on the current Airtrain network, and then switch to the current LIRR line in Jamaica.

[fimiak]

LIRR running on Airtrain? Sounds a little simcity too me..

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by Crawford

The issue is getting faster limited-stop or nonstop trains to JFK, which was the plan with LIRR. The Airtrain is not an airport monorail; it's double-tracked and built to accommodate heavy rail trains, so you could run LIRR trains on the current Airtrain network, and then switch to the current LIRR line in Jamaica.

Not quite. IIRC the AirTrain structure will not handle the load of heavy LIRR trains, but a new train could be designed that is lightweight and intercompatible. Both systems draw power from a third rail.

[JACKinBeantown]

Intermediate rib pieces seem to be being installed (between the base and the wings).

[deepen915]

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

Intermediate rib pieces seem to be being installed (between the base and the wings).

as seen in this pic?

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by deepen915

as seen in this pic?

Apparently not (the image isn't showing up).

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by ardecila

Not quite. IIRC the AirTrain structure will not handle the load of heavy LIRR trains, but a new train could be designed that is lightweight and intercompatible. Both systems draw power from a third rail.

You're right that the current rolling stock couldn't run on the AirTrain, but it was never intended to conform to the current rolling stock.

The point is that the Airtrain was built in order to eventually run LIRR trains. That wasn't a side-benefit; it was the whole point (and is also why the airlines protested funding JFK Airtrain, because they said it wasn't an airport-specific improvement but a regular public transit improvement).

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by Crawford

But the LIRR could access the WTC via the current line to Flatbush Ave. It's already 90% operational between JFK and the WTC. You just need to get the LIRR from downtown Brooklyn to the WTC terminal. That was the plan under the Pataki and Spitzer administrations, and the MTA budgeted $2 billion for the new tunnel (which wouldn't have been enough on it's own, but would have made huge progress).

I don't how much of that $2 billion is still hanging around, though. It's officially "on hold", and you know how transit projects take forever.


PATH runs very close to Newark Airport, and is being expanded to Newark Airport. It's already in the PATH budget.

No one is talking about subway expansion to JFK airport. You already have the A, E, J, and Z trains connecting to Airtrain, so if you want to take the subway to JFK you have multiple options.

The issue is getting faster limited-stop or nonstop trains to JFK, which was the plan with LIRR. The Airtrain is not an airport monorail; it's double-tracked and built to accommodate heavy rail trains, so you could run LIRR trains on the current Airtrain network, and then switch to the current LIRR line in Jamaica.

That's what I was thinking while I was there.
I was staying in Brooklyn so the subway ride wasn't that bad.
I also realized I could have just taken the LIRR as well, but was a bit nervous to do that as I wasn't that familiar with scheduling.

[Spotila]

Ribs and spine!

[Tall guy 31]

Trees coming to the NE section soon??? Looks like they're putting dirt into the holes where the trees are suppose to be. You figure this might be the last step before planting, eh??

[Noll]

first section of the calatrava wings going into the wtc transit hub #wtc #worldtradecenter #path #transit #nyc #newyorkcity #manhattan #construction #architecture #steel #calatrava by Michael V. Calcagno, on Flickr

[jd3189]

Another Calatrava project shows pretty well what the new station will look like.

http://www.intbau.org/archive/newsarchive2003.htm

[antinimby]

And I'll bet that one costs a whole lot less than this one.

[phoenixboi08]

Considering it's a museum and not a subterranean structure, I'd certainly hope so.

[CalibratedZeus]

WTC 6-30-13 by calibratedzeus, on Flickr


WTC 6-30-13 by calibratedzeus, on Flickr


WTC 6-30-13 by calibratedzeus, on Flickr

[NYguy]

http://www.news24.com/Travel/Interna...shape-20130628

NYC ground zero museum takes shape


2013-07-01

Throughout the museum, curators have hung pieces of steel that were bent and twisted into striking shapes, including one sheet of metal that now appears to ripple like a flag and a huge girder bent by the impact of the aircraft hitting the towers.

Many of them look like sculptures.

"In a strange way, they are like pieces of art," Katsimatides said. But Daniels added that they weren't chosen for their beauty, but to explain what happened at the site on 9/11.

A few design elements of the museum are still under discussion.

When visitors descend to the very bottom of the museum — where, in some places, they will be able to view the very bedrock that the towers once rested upon — they will enter a hall with a large wall bearing an inscription from Virgil. "No day shall erase you from the memory of time."

Behind that wall will sit a special mausoleum, off limits to the general public, containing the unidentified remains of hundreds of 9/11 victims. Most of the interior walls of the museum have the look of bare concrete, as a constant reminder of the site's location within the old trade center foundation. But Daniels said the museum's designers are talking about possibly cladding this wall in a different material, or a different color, to separate it from the rest.

"It's a special place. Do we need something to distinguish it?" he said.

The bulk of the work remaining to be completed will revolve around installing the museum's exhibits, which will include many artifacts, including a wall made up of portraits of all 2 983 victims and a room where visitors will be able to call up video presentations that tell a story about each of them.

"The idea is to learn about the lives that they lived, not just the deaths that they died," Daniels said.

[NYguy]

Tony Shi, Life

[randy1991]

Looking good!