California High-Speed Rail - Page 43

Smiley Person · #**841** Posted **Apr 16, 2008, 6:30 AM**

i need my SSP forums ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!

sopas ej · #**842** Posted **Apr 16, 2008, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by bmfarley

If you were travelling on business and wanted to remain connected in one way or another, it would be important to you too. Or, if wanting to remain connected to family.

...Oooops. looks like I repeated someone elses point oo. Maybe we're on to something? Ya think?

I don't have a job that requires me to be on-call, and when I want to talk to my family and friends, I do it in person, or I talk to them on the phone while I'm at home. I don't make or take personal calls while I'm at work, and my friends and family know better than to call me while I'm at work unless it's an absolute emergency.

So I guess that's why I don't relate.

bmfarley · #**843** Posted **Apr 18, 2008, 5:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by sopas ej

I don't have a job that requires me to be on-call, and when I want to talk to my family and friends, I do it in person, or I talk to them on the phone while I'm at home. I don't make or take personal calls while I'm at work, and my friends and family know better than to call me while I'm at work unless it's an absolute emergency.

So I guess that's why I don't relate.

When I was younger I was a bit more of an idealist. I didn't want a cell phone. I didn't want to be accessible for others to contact me. I wanted my privacy; my time to myself.

Today, I want to be connected. Connected to news, friends, or associates. I want that choice. I don't feel the need to always be 'in contact' but I do want to be accessible and be able to connect with others if I want to. Or need to.

It's about having that option. I think most people want that.

krudmonk · #**844** Posted **Apr 18, 2008, 6:05 AM**

At this point, it's not a work addiction but rather keeping up with the business world.

bmfarley · #**845** Posted **Apr 18, 2008, 6:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by krudmonk

At this point, it's not a work addiction but rather keeping up with the business world.

That too.

I love my job. It's interesting. I am motivated. I spend a portion of almost every day outside of work doing stuff, or looking into stuff, that compliments what I do at work. Sitting idle on a plane for 1-3 hours feels like wasted time when I could be cruising the internet for information (or posting here). Somehow, trying to flip pages of a newspaper on a narrow crowded plane is not enjoyable for myself... or the peeps sitting next to me.

Smiley Person · #**846** Posted **Apr 20, 2008, 8:39 AM**

Here's a thought...

If we had high speed rail putting the Central Valley within commuting distance of LA and SF, would there be a mortgage crisis going on today? Prices in the cities and in inner suburbs within reasonable commute time to downtown have remained stable or continued to rise.

urban_encounter · #**847** Posted **Apr 20, 2008, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Smiley Person

Here's a thought...

If we had high speed rail putting the Central Valley within commuting distance of LA and SF, would there be a mortgage crisis going on today? Prices in the cities and in inner suburbs within reasonable commute time to downtown have remained stable or continued to rise.

You just outlined the best reason to oppose HSR..

This is not about establishing affordable bedroom communites in the Valley. And yes there would me a mortgage crisis. There's a natiowide mortgage crisis because people took out loans without reading the fine print or they just simply couldn't afford what they were buying.

If we want to grow the communities in the valley wisely, we build up the infratructure to include reliable rail alternatives. But we also do it by building up the local employment base up and down the Valley. There's no reason Fresno, Bakersfield, Modesto and Stockton can't build their own economies and local labor force in much the same way Sacramento has.

The Valley needs to establish walkable (self) sustainable communities..

To support HSR so as to establish bedroom communities further and further from LA and SF is the best reason i can think of to oppose this. It certainly doesn't represent smart growth, land use and development planning.

Nutterbug · #**848** Posted **Apr 20, 2008, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Smiley Person

Here's a thought...

If we had high speed rail putting the Central Valley within commuting distance of LA and SF, would there be a mortgage crisis going on today? Prices in the cities and in inner suburbs within reasonable commute time to downtown have remained stable or continued to rise.

It would probably worsen the sprawl.

Hopefully, fares for this HSR won't be cheap enough to take a daily commute to/from the Central Valley for granted.

bmfarley · #**849** Posted **Apr 21, 2008, 5:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nutterbug

It would probably worsen the sprawl.

Hopefully, fares for this HSR won't be cheap enough to take a daily commute to/from the Central Valley for granted.

Demographic projects portray the Central Valley growing by millions before HSR was ever envisioned as a project. It's in part intended to be a solution to expected transportation congestion.... not the cause of additional growth; which would be minor relative to pre-existing projection tracks anyway.

JDRCRASH · #**850** Posted **Apr 21, 2008, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nutterbug

It would probably worsen the sprawl.

Hopefully, fares for this HSR won't be cheap enough to take a daily commute to/from the Central Valley for granted.

That is what i've been trying to say.

AndrewK · #**851** Posted **Apr 21, 2008, 10:47 PM**

they just shouldnt make any stops between the altamont pass and the san fernando valley.

jk

J_Taylor · #**852** Posted **Apr 26, 2008, 9:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Smiley Person

Here's a thought...

[b]If we had high speed rail putting the Central Valley within commuting distance of LA and SF, would there be a mortgage crisis going on today? [\b] Prices in the cities and in inner suburbs within reasonable commute time to downtown have remained stable or continued to rise.

Yes because it is not a CA only problem up a USA wide problem of people not reading what they sign, or doing there due diligence about what kind of loan they are getting into.
But back on topic.
This is a project that is needed, besides for the mostpart I think cities are waking up to the problems that sprawl is creating. while that cant do anything in the very near short turm, i think people are coming aroind and HSR will help that greatley. Besides going by train is fun.

CityKid · #**853** Posted **May 7, 2008, 11:07 PM**

Does anyone else think that the recent increase in gas prices may give California voters an additional incentive to vote YES on this bond measure?

krudmonk · #**854** Posted **May 8, 2008, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityKid

Does anyone else think that the recent increase in gas prices may give California voters an additional incentive to vote YES on this bond measure?

I hope so. Also, this increase is recent but these generally high prices have been around a while now. Maybe people will see that there's no end in sight and really throw their support for HSR.

bmfarley · #**855** Posted **May 8, 2008, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityKid

Does anyone else think that the recent increase in gas prices may give California voters an additional incentive to vote YES on this bond measure?

It cannot hurt!

I also agree with krudmonk that these prices have been around for a while and will continue to remain as high for the foreseeable future. To this end, what I think would help HSR more is greater public awareness that high gas prices will remain and that HSR is a viable alternative for long distance travel...1) mitigating the individual cost impact of travelling and 2) removing other cars off the highways (to get out of other peoples' way).

However, does HSR really need that much help? It seems that everything under the sun is beginning to shine a bright shining positive light on HSR. Really!

If there is one lurking shadow... it's the state budget and the perception that the state should not create more debt. Despite the fact that repayments, large ones, will not come due for some years.... not everyone realizes the short term implications are negligible, if not nil.

J_Taylor · #**856** Posted **May 8, 2008, 9:42 AM**

true.
I am over in Japan right now.
I have been riding the rails for many days. HSR is somthing that CA needs. But also it needs the planning around stations and feeder systems to make this really work like is should.

munkyman · #**857** Posted **May 14, 2008, 12:37 AM**

Wow, they seriously re-did the CHSRA website. It looks really nice now. Check it out.

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/

Reminiscence · #**858** Posted **May 14, 2008, 5:43 AM**

I agree. The website looks very impressive. I especially like the gallery of videos they show. You can see nice projections of what the future holds for the area around the stops. Definetly check it out.

StethJeff · #**859** Posted **May 14, 2008, 9:24 PM**

villaraigosa sure does an awful job of selling his scripted lines in that first video. regardless, the new site looks great. I just don't want to get my hopes up on this project : (

Echo Park · #**860** Posted **May 14, 2008, 10:40 PM**

Why is there no route from Irvine to San Diego that goes along the coast?