Differences between SW Ontario vs Eastern Ontario

[Docere]

The definition of Central Ontario seems to have changed over time.

Historically, central basically meant between eastern and western Ontario (Toronto wasn't the sprawling metropolis it is today). This was reflected in the postal codes. "L" covered a central region except Metropolitan Toronto - including Halton, Peel, Dufferin, Simcoe, York, Ontario, Durham and Victoria counties.

One residue of the old county system is that Cobourg has K postal codes and Port Hope has L postal codes.

Today Central Ontario seems to mean basically cottage country - Simcoe, Muskoka, the Kawarthas, Haliburton etc.

It leaves modern-day Northumberland difficult to define. It seems more oriented toward Peterborough/Kawarthas than the Quinte region, yet it borders Lake Ontario.

The old distinctions are still used by Canada Post:

https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/m...Gaddress-e.pdf

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

Agreed, but I think because of the geographic and demographic characteristics of Northern Ontario, Northern Ontario should be two provinces; NW ON and NE ON.

There aren't really many differences between the Northeast and Northwest. The big differences are between the populated southern parts of Northern Ontario and the far North. The far North has small isolated places and ones on the coast (Hudson Bay and James Bay)

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Loco101

There aren't really many differences between the Northeast and Northwest. The big differences are between the populated southern parts of Northern Ontario and the far North. The far North has small isolated places and ones on the coast (Hudson Bay and James Bay)

I was so tempted say "Another territory!"

[Loco101]

haha.

And I have to add that there are huge societal differences between places such as Cochrane and Moosonee for example. Cochrane is much more similar to a Northwestern town such as Dryden than compared to the Town of Moosonee which is much closer.

[swimmer_spe]

So here is my take on the mess that is Ontario.

We have Northern Ontario, that consists of everything in and north of Muskoka/Parry Sound/Nipissing District. It is granite. It is trees. It is mining. It is cold and snowy.

We have Eastern Ontario that consists of things east of Algonquin park and includes Kawartha Lakes and Northumberland/Halliburton Counties. It is granite, with some not granite. It is trees. It is farming. It is manufacturing. It is military (Bases in Trenton, Petawawa, Ottawa, and Kingston). It is snowy, but not so cold.

We have Southwestern Ontario This includes Grey/Dufferin/Wellington/Brandt/Haldimand counties, Regional Municipality of Waterloo, and everything west. It is mainly farming, and food production.

And then we have the Golden Horseshoe. This includes, basically everywhere the GO goes to, except for K/W. It is mainly farmland that has bee, or is being developed into urban areas. It is mainly manufacturing and financial.

Each division could stand on it's own. Each division has a solid base of jobs and population that is independent of each other areas. And each have their own political stripe.

Toronto would obviously be the capital of the Golden Horseshoe. Ottawa for Eastern Ontario. London for SW Ontario. For Northern Ontario, I am not sure. The 5 cities are close enough in population that it could be a fight.

The real problem that seems to just get worse over time is politicians are doing what they need to do to get elected, not what is needed to fix the issues.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So here is my take on the mess that is Ontario.

We have Northern Ontario, that consists of everything in and north of Muskoka/Parry Sound/Nipissing District. It is granite. It is trees. It is mining. It is cold and snowy.

We have Eastern Ontario that consists of things east of Algonquin park and includes Kawartha Lakes and Northumberland/Halliburton Counties. It is granite, with some not granite. It is trees. It is farming. It is manufacturing. It is military (Bases in Trenton, Petawawa, Ottawa, and Kingston). It is snowy, but not so cold.

We have Southwestern Ontario This includes Grey/Dufferin/Wellington/Brandt/Haldimand counties, Regional Municipality of Waterloo, and everything west. It is mainly farming, and food production.

And then we have the Golden Horseshoe. This includes, basically everywhere the GO goes to, except for K/W. It is mainly farmland that has bee, or is being developed into urban areas. It is mainly manufacturing and financial.

Each division could stand on it's own. Each division has a solid base of jobs and population that is independent of each other areas. And each have their own political stripe.

Toronto would obviously be the capital of the Golden Horseshoe. Ottawa for Eastern Ontario. London for SW Ontario. For Northern Ontario, I am not sure. The 5 cities are close enough in population that it could be a fight.

The real problem that seems to just get worse over time is politicians are doing what they need to do to get elected, not what is needed to fix the issues.

Right on. That's why we need a political reform. Too bad for some strange reasons, the majority voted no on the 2007 referendum on provincial electoral reform.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

We have Eastern Ontario that consists of things east of Algonquin park and includes Kawartha Lakes and Northumberland/Halliburton Counties. It is granite, with some not granite. It is trees. It is farming. It is manufacturing. It is military (Bases in Trenton, Petawawa, Ottawa, and Kingston). It is snowy, but not so cold.

We have Southwestern Ontario This includes Grey/Dufferin/Wellington/Brandt/Haldimand counties, Regional Municipality of Waterloo, and everything west. It is mainly farming, and food production.

Your geographic split is very sensible, but it's interesting you associate Eastern Ontario with manufacturing but describle SW Ontario as "mainly farming and food production."

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Docere

Your geographic split is very sensible, but it's interesting you associate Eastern Ontario with manufacturing but describle SW Ontario as "mainly farming and food production."

Well, isn't SW Ontario known for its extensive farmland?

[north 42]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Well, isn't SW Ontario known for its extensive farmland?

Southwestern Ontario is also known for having the most manufacturing in all of Canada!

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Docere

Your geographic split is very sensible, but it's interesting you associate Eastern Ontario with manufacturing but describle SW Ontario as "mainly farming and food production."

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Well, isn't SW Ontario known for its extensive farmland?

Originally Posted by north 42

Southwestern Ontario is also known for having the most manufacturing in all of Canada!

Most of it's manufacturing is for food production.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Most of it's manufacturing is for food production.

Is it? I thought automotive was the leading sub-sector. on

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Is it? I thought automotive was the leading sub-sector. on

With 15% of all the economy being manufacturing.... leading 15% is not hard to do.
AFAIK there are automotive plants in Windsor, Ingersol, Cambridge and Alliston.

[Docere]

Top 10 CDs for share of workforce in manufacturing and agriculture:

Manufacturing

Oxford 21.4%
Essex 19.7%
Perth 18.8%
Wellington 17.6%
Brant 17.1%
Elgin 16.8%
Waterloo 15.8%
Haldimand-Norfolk 14.3%
Chatham-Kent 12.9%
Dufferin 12.3%

Agriculture

Huron 14.9%
Perth 9.1%
Haldimand-Norfolk 7.9%
Bruce 7.7%
Chatham-Kent 7.6%
Grey 6.6%
Prince Edward 6.4%
Elgin 6.2%
Oxford 6.1%
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry 4.7%

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Docere

Top 10 CDs for share of workforce in manufacturing and agriculture:

Manufacturing

Oxford 21.4%
Essex 19.7%
Perth 18.8%
Wellington 17.6%
Brant 17.1%
Elgin 16.8%
Waterloo 15.8%
Haldimand-Norfolk 14.3%
Chatham-Kent 12.9%
Northumberland 12.1%

Agriculture

Huron 14.9%
Perth 9.1%
Haldimand-Norfolk 7.9%
Bruce 7.7%
Chatham-Kent 7.6%
Grey 6.6%
Prince Edward 6.4%
Elgin 6.2%
Oxford 6.1%
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry 4.7%

What are they manufacturing?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Loco101

haha.

And I have to add that there are huge societal differences between places such as Cochrane and Moosonee for example. Cochrane is much more similar to a Northwestern town such as Dryden than compared to the Town of Moosonee which is much closer.

There is almost like a James-Hudson Bay "ring" of communities that has things in common, and includes Moosonee and places like Waskaganish in Quebec and Churchill in Manitoba.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So here is my take on the mess that is Ontario.

We have Northern Ontario, that consists of everything in and north of Muskoka/Parry Sound/Nipissing District. It is granite. It is trees. It is mining. It is cold and snowy.

.

I see Nipissing District as Northern Ontario for sure.

Going back to what some others have said Hamilton is definitely Central Ontario-Golden Horseshoe territory.

K-W is the transition point between Central-Horseshoe and the SW.

I see Kingston as a similar transition point between Eastern and Central-Horseshoe.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I see Nipissing District as Northern Ontario for sure.

Going back to what some others have said Hamilton is definitely Central Ontario-Golden Horseshoe territory.

K-W is the transition point between Central-Horseshoe and the SW.

I see Kingston as a similar transition point between Eastern and Central-Horseshoe.

The Kitcheneer CTV station used to say that they were broadcasting "from the heart of Central SW Ontario", which always made me smile as it was so specific.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With 15% of all the economy being manufacturing.... leading 15% is not hard to do.
AFAIK there are automotive plants in Windsor, Ingersol, Cambridge and Alliston.

Also Brampton, Oakville, Woodstock and Ingersoll

Here's the complete list for December 2017: https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/auto-a...g/am00767.html

Only Southern Ontario and only specifically the GTA and Southwest have them.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There is almost like a James-Hudson Bay "ring" of communities that has things in common, and includes Moosonee and places like Waskaganish in Quebec and Churchill in Manitoba.

All majority Indigenous Cree towns and First Nations from Chisasibi, QC to Churchill, MB. If you go further North on either side it becomes majority Inuit communities.

[Marshsparrow]

Eastern Ontario and manufacturing - where?