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Tb News Source | Web Posted: 3/8/2007 7:49:39 PM
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Its generating a lot of interest. The public is finally getting to see a concrete plan for one of the city's most marketable but undeveloped features — its Lake Superior water frontage.

The waterfront committee's grand unveiling of their draft master plan for the city's waterfront took place to a packed Community Auditorium Wednesday night.

Over 2,000 people watched and listened as the waterfront development committee and the designer of the plan, gave a detailed description of the vision. While some residents enjoyed many aspects of the $100 million plan, others felt that it just wasn't suitable for Thunder Bay.

Many community members appear optimistic about the $100 million vision, but others question where the dollars will be coming from. The committee responsible for the plan says only a small percentage of that total will be paid for by city residents. Two 54-unit condos, a hotel and a new marina, two public piers, a market square and waterfront plaza, a skating pond and expanded festival space are some of the elements of the scheme.

Thunder Bay residents had a second opportunity Thursday to take a detailed look at the draft of what is called Prince Arthur's Landing at Marina Park. Residents packed an open house held at the CN Station at the Marina Thursday looking at developments expected for the 400 metre stretch of land right outside the building, stretching from Red River Road to Pearl Street.

Many people are quite satisfied with what could be in store for the park, others questioned where the money to pay for such a grand plan is coming from. Waterfront Development committee chair Mark Bentz says funding from the city has already been set aside in previous budgets, so the city doesn't have to tax extra for the plan.

Thunder Bay residents will have their final opportunity to voice any concerns or provide input on the Prince Arthur's Landing at Marina Park plan at a deputation session March 22 at City Hall. It will come just days before the committee requests council's approval on the master plan.
Haha, I have to go to City Hall on the 22nd for some legal bull with my landlord. If I can fix my camera by then I will "file a report".
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2007, 2:14 PM
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Im glad its going to actually be approved. half of city council is on the development committee so its not even a matter of getting it approved. its just getting the investors to start developing the condos(which might be hard) but the hotel has interested buyers already. This town is full of backwards hicks that dont agree with change... i remember talking to one guy yesterday at the open house who said. "Why cant you build all of the buildings 2 stories high and out of wood" The consultant from bmi|pace almost broke into laughter. :p poor girl had to listen to these types of complaints all day.
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There is already speculation on the real estate in DTPA. According to Source


""Why cant you build all of the buildings 2 stories high and out of wood""

I should replace my blasphemy of Robert Service with that! Dumbass here doesn't realise that we can build more than two storeys high. And he also doesn't realise how fucking taxing sprawl is on a declining city. We can put wood on the façade, have it in the interior, like they did with the hospital. (Which people also hate because "It looks like it's covered in scaffolding!/I don't like Yellow!/Why is it in a swamp??/Three floors is too tall!!/I hate windows!")

As far as I can tell by the Source article they might look something like this:



But nicer, and with a set back on one side.

Also, the article said they're all 6 storeys, and there will be 108 condo units, a bit much, but if people move back downtown it could work.
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More here: http://tbaydevelopments.googlepages.com/home including an updated list of all current developments in Thunder Bay
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I heard that they could reach up to 8 stories as long as they arent taller than the government building. which wouldnt be bad. it would still give us some much needed density.
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Why can't they pass the Government Building? I thought the limit was based on the Hydro Building?

Which is also a Government Building. Every building in this city is a Government Building.

How tall is it anyway? It can't be any taller than PUC or Prince Arthur. I think it's about equal with Prince Arthur.
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They have 25ish meters to work with. so they could fit up to 8 stories.

Government of Ontario building is 28meters tall from the street below i think it said in a diagram. They want to preserve sight from the hills above so they dont want the buildings to be like 15stories xD also the light level has to be somewhat high according to the masterplan (one reason for the building setbacks)

And can you believe it! Thunder Bay has grown xD we gained what 100 people in the city center and 1000 in the metro area! lol we are now the third smallest metro in population in Canada!
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I know! I was surprised when I saw it this morning. 124 new people! Go us!!

Shuniah grew by 20%.
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North Bay is hockeyville!
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Hah! Yeah, even though in reality North Bay is not much of a "hockeytown" at all. We lost our OHL team due to lack of attendance, and our local leagues have a hard time staying afloat and don't seem to produce high caliber players. The amount of professional level hockey talent that comes out of North Bay is nothing compared to most other towns and cities in Northern Ontario. But $50,000 to fix up a local arena is definitely good news for NB.
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I've heard that North Bay has a very likely possibility to get its OHL team back.
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Half the famous people out of Thunder Bay are NHL players. But congrats North Bay.

Thunder Bay doesn't have an OHL team because we are too far away from Ontario. And yes, that is the real reason.
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Construction begins on North Bay Regional Health Centre project

NORTH BAY, ON - Construction started today at the new 388-bed North Bay Regional Health Centre to provide residents from North Bay and surrounding communities with improved access to quality health care, announced George Smitherman (shown), Minister of Health and Long-Term Care, at a groundbreaking ceremony with Nipissing MPP Monique Smith.

"The construction of the North Bay Regional Health Centre is important to everyone in the region and I'm so proud to see construction underway," said MPP Monique Smith.

"We are proud that our hospital will be a state-of-the-art facility that will continue to play a vital role in providing health care and treatment to the residents of our region."

"I'm pleased to join my colleague Monique Smith to put the first shovels in the ground as we launch construction to modernize the North Bay hospital to bring even greater access to health care for local residents," said Smitherman.

Smitherman joined Smith, North Bay General Hospital and Northeast Mental Health Centre officials and representatives from Plenary Health to officially launch the construction project.

Plenary Health was selected as the preferred team to build, finance and maintain the North Bay Regional Health Centre.

Construction is expected to be completed in 2010.

As a three-storey general hospital, the new North Bay Regional Health Centre's redevelopment project will be significantly larger and equipped to offer more services than the present two-site operation.

It will also include the new Northeast Mental Health Centre, a two-storey facility that will recreate a home-like, village environment.

Services at the new hospital will include:

- A larger emergency department with 32 treatment beds;

- A consolidated ambulatory care centre;

- Capacity for up to 275 acute care, complex continuing care, rehabilitation and acute mental health beds.

The new Northeast Mental Health Centre, which will be linked to the general hospital, will have capacity for up to 113 specialized mental health beds and serve all of northeast Ontario.

"I would like to thank our hospital staff, volunteers, fundraisers and the community for their generous donations and support for this project," said Mark Hurst, North Bay General Hospital President and CEO.

"This truly is a celebration for us. We are looking forward to this project being completed and our one-site hospital being available for all members of our community."

Plenary Health will be paid $551 million in today's dollars over 30 years to build, finance and maintain the new 720,000 square foot facility.

Just over half of that represents the pure construction cost.

During the three-year construction period, the project will employ an average of 200 workers on site daily.

Infrastructure Ontario will work with the North Bay General Hospital and the Northeast Mental Health Centre to manage the construction of the North Bay Regional Health Centre, which will remain publicly owned, publicly controlled and publicly accountable.

Infrastructure Ontario is a Crown corporation dedicated to managing some of the Province's larger and more complex infrastructure renewal projects - ensuring they are built on time and on budget.

The project is guided by principles outlined in the Province's Building a Better Tomorrow framework, which ensures public ownership of core assets such as hospitals, schools and water and wastewater facilities.

The North Bay Regional Health Centre project is one of many infrastructure projects being constructed, upgraded and modernized under ReNew Ontario, the government's five-year, $30-billion plus public infrastructure investment plan.

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The North Bay Regional Health Centre is a partnership between the North Bay General Hospital and the Northeast Mental Health Centre.

For the first time in Canada, an acute hospital and a specialized mental health centre will co-locate on the same site.

The North Bay General Hospital (NBGH) and its predecessors have served the families of North Bay and the surrounding area for over 100 years.

The North Bay General Hospital is a district referral centre serving the districts of Nipissing and Temiscaming.

NBGH's Emergency Department and outpatient clinics serve more than 40,000 patients every year. Specialist services such as orthopedics, neonatal intensive care, paediatrics, ophthalmology, obstetrics/gynaecology, urology, ENT (ear, nose and throat) and general surgery are provided for patients from throughout the entire district served.

The Northeast Mental Health Centre (NEMHC) is a specialized mental health centre that provides service to people throughout the region of northeast Ontario suffering from severe and persistent mental illness.

Based on a recovery approach, NEMHC works with other service providers and patients and their families in the design and implementation of care.

Programs include specialized adult mental health, senior's mental health, forensic psychiatry, outreach programs and a regional children's psychiatric service.

As a three-storey general hospital, the new NBGH's redevelopment will be significantly larger and equipped to offer more services than the present two-site operation.

The Northeast Mental Health Centre has been designed as a
two-storey facility that will provide a best-practice approach to care in a home-like, village environment.

One of the largest public sector projects in the region's history, the NBRHC will total 720,000 square feet of new construction on an 80-acre site.

The New North Bay General Hospital includes:

- A larger emergency department with 32 treatment beds to accommodate more than 57,000 patients per year;

- A new consolidated ambulatory care centre to accommodate more than 63,000 patient visits per year;

The hospital's 275 acute care beds include:

- A 40-bed mental health unit relocated from the Northeast Mental Health Centre;

- An increased bed capacity in the Critical Care Unit (from 10 to 16 beds), in the Complex Continuing Care Unit (from 10 to 42 beds), and in the Rehabilitation Care unit (from 10 to 29 beds).

The New Northeast Mental Health Centre

The new Northeast Mental Health Centre will be linked to the general hospital via a shared entrance and several shared common areas.

It will serve the whole of northeast Ontario, and accommodate:

- 52 forensic psychiatry beds;

- 61 specialized mental health beds;

- A client services mall, gymnasium, workshops, psychiatric offices, clinical and administrative spaces;

- Outreach services.

Design features provide a healing atmosphere throughout the facility with lots of natural light provided by windows that overlook the natural environmental setting of the 80-acre site.

The North Bay Regional Health Centre will have a total of 388 beds.

Over North Bay Regional Health Centre's three-year construction period, there will be an average of 200 workers on site daily.
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Here's a pic from today of the new North Bay transit terminal, it should be complete within the next couple of weeks.
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Here's an update for the Holiday Inn project from today. I took this pic from a big hill in Thompson Park. That's midday traffic on the Trans Canada highway with the new hotel in the background behind all those wires and poles! Soon another large new hotel will start to rise beside this one.
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Prince Arthur's Landing was officially approved. Work starts in May.
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I Found this in the Northern Busniness Journal:

Real estate markets strong

By Liz Cowan

A regional in-migration trend in most Northern Ontario cities is putting some pressure on vacancy rates and boosting housing sales.

“A trend we have been tracking in most of our Northern Ontario cities is the trend towards in-migration,” said Warren Philp, Northern Ontario market analyst with the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s Thunder Bay office.

“They are coming from the area around the bigger centres. When I look at the demographic numbers of 2001 and 2006, there is a bit of a turnaround and most of the areas where there are major centres are showing some improvement,” he said.

“I maintain that the movement is within the region and not so much people from Toronto or Western Canada or Quebec flocking into Northern Ontario.”

Real estate markets in the major Northeastern markets have been strong the past two years and this year is expected to be no different.

“You are looking at a record number of sales in a few of our markets,” Philp said.

In Greater Sudbury, the MLS (Multiple Listing System) residential activity reported sales last year of 2,615, up 0.8 from 2005. The average price of a home rose from $134,440 to $150,341.

Al Fex, president of the Sudbury Real Estate Board, said 2006 was a great year.

“The agents are very, very busy,” he said. “There’s a demand for homes in the higher range and strong demand for a home in New Sudbury. In fact, a house and a garage are hard to get right now.”

Fex said it’s a seller’s market right now which does make it tougher on buyers.

“But we did have a long, dry spell. In many cases people are selling their last homes and they are getting the price they should since it has been an investment for them,” Fex said.

The real estate market is a result of a strong economy in the city, he said.

“The papers are full of job postings, the medical school has had an impact and the mining industry is hiring. It’s encouraging for people to live here. Sudbury is a draw for others from Northern Ontario or for others who went south and want to come back,” Fex said.

North Bay has experienced a strong growth in sales and Philp said the number of listings also increased.

“It could be that more folks are recognizing how strong the market is and they are selling to move up or build,” he said.

“North Bay still has the highest average price in Northern Ontario and the market has held up the best over time. There is a lack of reliance on resources and commodities and the economy is more stable and diversified.”

The average price of a home in the city last year was $160,106, up from $146,066 in 2005. Sales for 2006 were 1,446, up 10 per cent from the previous year which posted 1,316 sales.

Dave Wylie, president of the North Bay Real Estate Board, said 2005 and 2006 were banner years.

“At this time year to date (end of February), our sales are up,” he said.

One of the biggest problems in North Bay, he said, is the high cost of building.

“The new homes coming onto the market are either semi custom or custom built and over $300,000. The market isn’t developing affordable new homes. First-time home buyers are getting 40-year-old homes for $160,00 to $165,000,” Wylie said.

In-migration has been a part of Sault Ste. Marie’s strong real estate activity, Philp said.

“There is stability at Algoma Steel, increased diversification of the economy in retail, tourism and call centre side and there has been a lot of positive things happening the past few years,” he said.

“There is more confidence and people have been more active in the housing market to sell, move up or build.”

The average house price in the Sault last year was $101,882 compared to $96,303 in 2005. There were 1,404 sales recorded in 2006 and 1,292 in 2005.

Wayne Spencer, president of the Sault Ste. Marie Real Estate Board, said the market has been increasing at a steady pace over the past few years.

“We did have dry run for awhile but it started to take off. It’s a real turnaround,” he said.

Every type of home is in demand and he doesn’t see the trend changing for 2007.

“We are still the best buy in Northern Ontario for all the big centres as far as Sudbury and North Bay are concerned,” Spencer said.

In Timmins, 2006 statistics indicate a slight drop in population but the local real estate board set a record for sales in 2006. The board takes in an area that stretches from Temiskaming Shores to James Bay.

“The average price is still strong,” Philp said. “It’s a pretty tight, strong and buoyant market.”

In 2006, the average price of a home was $96,736 and there were 1,101 sales. In 2005, the price was $88,224 with 972 sales.

“We have a fair number of people coming into the community, that we are experiencing, and the Victor Project (diamond mine in Attawapiskat) has a big impact and all of mining in general,” said Roberta Toner, president of the Timmins Real Estate Board.

She said areas such as Temiskaming Shores and Kirkland Lake are also doing well with their real estate markets.

“Timmins isn’t like other communities when it comes to real estate,” she said.

“We don’t go through the extreme highs and lows but rather drop a bit or go up a bit. There are no real spikes and that is better for both the buyer and seller.”

“But we have been on the up over the past four years.”

Vacancy rates have also gone down across the Northeast in all major centres and in most towns.

In 2006, Sault Ste. Marie fell from 3.3 per cent to one per cent. Sudbury’s rate was 1.2 per cent last year and North Bay was at 2.4 per cent. Timmins was at 3.8 per cent.

Philp said the prime renting age group is between 18 to 30.

“When you look at what is happening to employment in that age group, it’s a clue to what is happening in the rental side,” he said.

Other factors affecting vacancy rates are post secondary institutions and retirees moving and choosing to rent instead of buying.
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From the North Bay Nugget:

Transit terminal rolling to completion; Officials also taking 'big step' by changing routes

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Local News - Wednesday, April 11, 2007 @ 08:00

North Bay Transit is getting a facelift it can't wait to show off.

After several months of construction, the new $3.2-million transit terminal is set to open later this month or in early May.

The new terminal will house the transit's head office and boasts a coffee shop, concession stand, ATM machine, customer-service window and public washrooms. Bus passes will also be available for purchase.

"It's very important for the people to have access to our staff if they want to make an inquiry," said acting transit manager Dorothy Carvell. "With our offices so close, they don't have to go far."

Security has also improved and Carvell said she is confident riders will feel safe.

"We'll have state-of-the-art security," she said.
"Cameras will be inside and out, and it will even have glass break motion sensors. With customers being able to wait inside in the lit area, they can feel safer than being alone outside in the dark."

Finishing touches continue to the interior of the facility.

Along with the new terminal, bus schedules are being revamped in an effort to better accommodate passengers. Transit officials have tweaked routes after getting input from drivers and passengers.

"This is a big step," Carvell said. "It's been years since the routes have changed, but traffic has grown and North Bay has grown and we have to grow and change with it."

She said routes have been redesigned while maintaining the ser-vices and territory the buses cover.

Transit will move toward giving drivers 45 minutes to complete routes instead of the current 30 minutes. The college run, for example, will leave the terminal on the hour and half hour, and return 45 minutes later. Some routes will be changed, like Marshall, which will depart at a quarter after and a quarter to the hour.

Other changes include combining the Ski Club and Chippewa buses.

"That's the biggest change," Carvell said of the combined routes. "Instead of going out to the mall, coming back to the terminal, then going out to Ski Club and such, both will be combined into one 45-minute route, but we will cover all the same territory."

Other routes like Graniteville and Birchaven will cover a greater area by circling in routes rather than going in a straight stretch and back.

"It will be a change for sure," Carvell said. "But we've left enough familiar so it won't be a major change."

The schedule is expected to change June 3 after all drivers are trained on the new routes. New schedules are being printed and should be available to the public by the end of April.

"We believe that we've thought of everything and just need to market it out to the public," Carvell said. "It's important the public realizes that these will still be fairly new routes for the drivers and we ask for their patience."
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Sounds like what we have. From this point on, it will take 75 minutes to get across town!

One thing to look out for though, is the longer bus rides resulting in people not wanting to take the bus as much. Unless there is an interlining program and buses running in either direction on the same route it could be risky, that's what led to the downfall of routes 16 and 5 up here.
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In the Winnipeg Free Press today.

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Winnipegger proposes multi-storey plan


A Winnipeg businessman wants to build a six- to eight-storey condominium development on the Kenora waterfront. Morris Chia, president and CEO of Travel Professionals International, the country's largest network of home-based travel agents, has submitted his building plan to the city's planning department.

Kenora Mayor Len Compton said Chia's condominium proposal still hasn't been before city council. Compton said the proposed building on Lake of the Woods won't get an automatic green light. To gain approval, Chia would have to convince council to vary its height restriction on downtown buildings -- currently at 10 metres.

"We want to get together with Mr. Chia in camera," Compton said. "We're pretty optimistic we can work out something to our mutual benefit." Compton said Chia's property is at the end of Water Street, where Wharf Marine is now, just past the Ontario Provincial Police station and the community's courthouse. Chia could not be reached for comment at his Winnipeg office.

Thelma Wilkins-Page, president of the Kenora and District Chamber of Commerce, said the organization has come out publicly supporting the project. "We want to clearly communicate we're open for business," Wilkins-Page said.
"We think this will be the shot in the arm the community needs." Wilkins-Page said from what they have seen the condos are high-end ones which would attract people who might be willing to invest in Kenora, as well as offer a place for long-time area cottage owners to retire.

"We want the mayor and council to look very seriously at this proposal because we feel it has great value for the city," she said. Meanwhile, Compton said they're looking for funding from other levels of government to help pay for a $9.3-million downtown revitalization project. Compton said most of the money will be used to tear out antiquated sewer and water lines downtown -- some 100 years old -- but it will also include paying for a traffic roundabout for motorists coming to the community from the west and for a new vehicle entrance into the harbourfront.

But Compton said they're also looking at enhancing the downtown to dovetail with its ongoing branding process.
Compton said a final decision hasn't been made, but if, for example, the city decided to brand itself The Frontier Village, it could look at stripping off modern facades from its century-old buildings. "This was a frontier town in the 1900s and a lot of the Main Street buildings are still here," he said. Compton said the $9.3 million is for Phase 1 of an expected $14- to $15-million project.

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