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Old Posted May 6, 2021, 10:09 AM
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22 lane-km in half a year? It still sounds like a race to me.
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According to MTO's website for construction updates (https://511on.ca/list/constructionpr...r%5Bdir%5D=asc), it appears they are planning on completing the 11 km widening between Tilbury and Chatham by the end of November. That's really fast, although not surprising given they just have to fill in the median and install concrete barriers - the existing 4 lanes don't need to be touched.
I guess this is the easiest stretch to widen. Once you need to start running into rivers and other things the 401 itself actually overpasses (rail lines for example) then it will get slower.

Also I can't imagine this stretch being very busy right now with the border restrictions so that might play a role since you don't have to manage/fight with traffic as much?
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I have been driving back and forth from Windsor to Chatham for the past few days, and there is quite a bit of work going on from Tilbury onward. They're currently working on filling in the medians and installing new sheet piling in the few sections where the 401 passes over creeks and drains in the area.

Between this project and the HWY 3 widening to Leamington also happening, I am quite happy. Lots of overdue road construction is finally happening in the region.
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The gap from Tilbury to London is huge so it’s going to probably become a 400 extension like project where there is always work happening but there is clearly no rush to actually complete it. They will probably do 10km stretches 1 at a time, finishing up 15+ years from now..

It’s purely a political project and is not needed at all for traffic levels so I’m happy for it to take that long. The billion dollar budget is needed much more elsewhere in the province.
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The project to widen the 401 through Tilbury is a two-season job. It's expected completion date is November, 2022.
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The project to widen the 401 through Tilbury is a two-season job. It's expected completion date is November, 2022.

Interesting, the website mentions Nov 26 of this year as "anticipated completion time". I have seen them split up construction seasons on that website before, but they do that sparingly. Do you know the source for Nov 2022 timeline?
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I guess this is the easiest stretch to widen. Once you need to start running into rivers and other things the 401 itself actually overpasses (rail lines for example) then it will get slower.

Also I can't imagine this stretch being very busy right now with the border restrictions so that might play a role since you don't have to manage/fight with traffic as much?
There are a few creeks in that stretch. And if that's the case, the Nov 2022 timeline mentioned by sonysnob makes more sense.

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The gap from Tilbury to London is huge so it’s going to probably become a 400 extension like project where there is always work happening but there is clearly no rush to actually complete it. They will probably do 10km stretches 1 at a time, finishing up 15+ years from now..

It’s purely a political project and is not needed at all for traffic levels so I’m happy for it to take that long. The billion dollar budget is needed much more elsewhere in the province.
If things go to plan, there's a 55 km section just in Chatham Kent that's supposed to go as a single contract, and another that's 40 km.

Source: https://highway401tilburytolondon.ca/
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Interesting, the website mentions Nov 26 of this year as "anticipated completion time". I have seen them split up construction seasons on that website before, but they do that sparingly. Do you know the source for Nov 2022 timeline?
I asked someone who I know at MTO and they looked up the contract details.
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I have been driving back and forth from Windsor to Chatham for the past few days, and there is quite a bit of work going on from Tilbury onward. They're currently working on filling in the medians and installing new sheet piling in the few sections where the 401 passes over creeks and drains in the area.

Between this project and the HWY 3 widening to Leamington also happening, I am quite happy. Lots of overdue road construction is finally happening in the region.
I’m very happy about both projects, but especially highway 3.
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Ok, having the project take 2 years makes much more sense. This contract end in November probably means a winter shutdown, so construction won't take place until the spring. Tells you it's not as much of a priority compared to other 401 projects like the Milton-Mississauga widening.

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The gap from Tilbury to London is huge so it’s going to probably become a 400 extension like project where there is always work happening but there is clearly no rush to actually complete it. They will probably do 10km stretches 1 at a time, finishing up 15+ years from now..

It’s purely a political project and is not needed at all for traffic levels so I’m happy for it to take that long. The billion dollar budget is needed much more elsewhere in the province.
This isn't a new highway build like the 400 extension but I do get what you are saying. People will complain construction is slow, but at least it's happening. That should be enough to please them politics-wise.

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Looks like the project scope goes west to Wellington Road in London, but the Highway's 6 lanes at the 402. Would this mean the 401 would be 8 or 10 lanes between the 402 and Wellington? I could see 8 lanes continuing to Highbury Ave (another project to start soon) or the VMP.
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London to Milton took most of 20 years and that's a similar distance London to Tilbury. And that project was also done in multiple simultaneous sections. While they were going east from London, they were also going west from Milton and/or both directions from Kitchener.

As for the project ending at Wellington Rd, maybe by the time this gets all the way here (assuming it only works from west to east), there will be a need to widen at Wellington. I assume that the Dingman overpass will be replaced, so maybe that is the actual eastern terminus of the project.
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It's odd that none of the documents on the project website show detail on design. With expected completion of next year I'd think these already exist somewhere.
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Maybe MTO just thinks it's a no-brainer.
"See grassy median? Think future left lane."
(Well, unless you were asking about 8-lanes of 401 east of London instead...)
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Maybe MTO just thinks it's a no-brainer.
"See grassy median? Think future left lane."
(Well, unless you were asking about 8-lanes of 401 east of London instead...)
Yes, the London leg to Wellington Rd was what I was talking about
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The 401 looking west from the Dixie Interchange towards the 401/403/410 mega-interchange:


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One of few interchanges in Canada will flyovers.
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One of few interchanges in Canada will flyovers.
There are more and more. Even Saskatchewan has one (new Highway 1/11 interchange west of Regina).
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There are more and more. Even Saskatchewan has one (new Highway 1/11 interchange west of Regina).
Manitoba has one too now (101/59).

Back to 401: At least I’m happy that we aren’t using cloverleaves for major interchanges like this.
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Manitoba has one too now (101/59).

Back to 401: At least I’m happy that we aren’t using cloverleaves for major interchanges like this.
really? https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8154...i8192?hl=en-US
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101, not 100. Looks more like a fly over-under to me though.

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