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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 8:12 PM
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Heh, I'm also open to hearing alternative pipe dreams. Expanding the St. Lawrence Seaway up the Whitefish River to the Lake of the Woods and making a connection to the Winnipeg River to go to Lake Winnipeg, connecting Winnipeg to the St. Lawrence Seaway via the Red River as well as Saskatoon and Edmonton.
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Kills a lot of birds with one stone. Oil pipelines? Put it on a boat instead. Moving grain? Move it by boat. Moving other minerals? Move it by boat. You might not full-fledged lakers in the canal but you might be able to get 2,500 ton boats with a maximum draft of 2 m through.

Still, I'm just dreaming here.
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The plan would potentially have included a navigable waterway in Canada from Alberta to Lake Superior, to be called the Transcontinental Canal. In addition to increasing availability of water, the canal would address problems of water pollution.[7]
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 8:21 PM
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The big problem here is that was much more ambitious and required large swaths of land to be flooded. It is especially reliant on US government involvement.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 9:29 PM
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I read just now in the Globe and Mail that Kenney plans to reduce the corporate tax rate from 10% to 8% immediately (something that was not supposed to happen for another 2 years). Seems very weird to me in a national health crisis and times of massive unprecedented debt levels in Alberta ($20 billion deficit this year) to lower corporate taxes to the tune of BILLIONS of lost revenue each year. The wrong time IMO, but typical of Kenney to assume all problems are solved by handing out tax savings to big oil.
I agree, Kenny is a complete turd. We are already the lowest taxed and he is planning on giving the O&G sector another hand out.

But the comments coming out now are, he is following the NDP play book. But they were bad he is good.
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The big problem here is that was much more ambitious and required large swaths of land to be flooded. It is especially reliant on US government involvement.
Plus shipping would only be good for about 6 months of the year.

Could you imaging the environmental outcry now if this was to be put forward.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
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Plus shipping would only be good for about 6 months of the year.
But with climate change
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The big problem here is that was much more ambitious and required large swaths of land to be flooded.
I've known about NAWAPA for over 3 decades and the biggest thing I could never compute was the exact quantity and composition of drugs required to have ever thought that this was remotely feasible?
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 12:27 AM
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I've known about NAWAPA for over 3 decades and the biggest thing I could never compute was the exact quantity and composition of drugs required to have ever thought that this was remotely feasible?
It was the 1960s, man.

That being said, there was a number of ideas that were advocated by certain departments of the US government during that era that definitely fall into the "bonkers" category.

Project Plowshare and Project Orion come to mind.
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Did we actually get any information of what is in Kenney's infrastructure plan?

Agreed the corporation tax cut was always pointless, unashamed ideology over reality.
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Plus shipping would only be good for about 6 months of the year.

Could you imaging the environmental outcry now if this was to be put forward.
Rivers, especially the larger rivers, don't completely freeze over during the winter. You could run icebreakers like they do in the current Seaway.
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Did we actually get any information of what is in Kenney's infrastructure plan?

Agreed the corporation tax cut was always pointless, unashamed ideology over reality.
nothing specific yet. but what some annalist are saying is is mostly previously mentioned money and fed money for orphan wells.

The banks do not seem to be overwhelmed by it. A couple of economic profs in Calgary say the benefits of the tax break cannot be accurately measured.

We already have one of the lowest corporate tax structures in Canada. I don't see businesses flocking here.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 3:26 PM
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Rivers, especially the larger rivers, don't completely freeze over during the winter. You could run icebreakers like they do in the current Seaway.
We have longer and colder winters than they do in Southern Ontario and Quebec. Plus the St Lawrence is a massive river and has a lot of stored energy.

There once was a thriving shipping industry along the Athabasca and MacKenzie rivers. Just need some help around the Slave river and we could be running barges along that route. Maybe add the Peace river as well.
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Alberta's debt has been downgraded.
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Alberta's debt has been downgraded.
Get use to the new normal, Canada is not the land of the smuggery that it once was. People are really gonna have to think long and hard about whether or not we want to start taking risks and to start opening up.
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Get use to the new normal, Canada is not the land of the smuggery that it once was. People are really gonna have to think long and hard about whether or not we want to start taking risks and to start opening up.
1. Canada was in much better financial shape than others to weather this crisis.

2. We are, for almost all intents and purposes, open. Notably large events and international travel remain limited. Hardly economy crippling.
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Ontario to continue to block out of province wine sales for another year.
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1. Canada was in much better financial shape than others to weather this crisis.
Don't worry others are completely screwed too. The important detail is whether or not the US pulls ahead of us.




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2. We are, for almost all intents and purposes, open. Notably large events and international travel remain limited. Hardly economy crippling.
And yet we are absolutely drowned in personal debt.
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Ontario to continue to block out of province wine sales for another year.
This is indefensible.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 5:36 PM
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Don't worry others are completely screwed too. The important detail is whether or not the US pulls ahead of us.
Why do we need to measure against the US? We're doing well compared to G7 and OECD overall. US is a gong show anyway.

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And yet we are absolutely drowned in personal debt.
Since COVID, individuals have been de-leveraging at record rates.

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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 6:12 PM
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Why do we need to measure against the US? We're doing well compared to G7 and OECD overall. US is a gong show anyway.
Because they are our direct frame of reference. Money going into GM plants in Ontarios isn't going to timbuktu, but it might be going into Ohio/Illionois/whatever.


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Since COVID, individuals have been de-leveraging at record rates.

I really don't understand your point? What are you trying to say?
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 7:39 PM
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1. Canada was in much better financial shape than others to weather this crisis.

2. We are, for almost all intents and purposes, open. Notably large events and international travel remain limited. Hardly economy crippling.
That's a pretty big chunk of the economy. Look at the tens of thousand of jobs gone just at Air Canada, Westjet and Porter. Then think of all those pilots who were high income earners who won't be buying houses, cars etc. and see how it ripples through the economy. That doesn't even take into account the hotel and restaurant jobs gone. CERB won't replace all that lost money going through the economy.
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