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That first Laval photo is a perfect example of what's wrong with the suburbs. The residential area is actually pretty dense and could probably support some walkable neighbourhood businesses. But instead it's set up so that everyone needs to drive to the big box store just a few hundred metres away.
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Reminds me of the downtown University of Calgary campus parkade...



It’s especially pretty when it’s windy, as the steel tiles move with the wind.



Some other decent examples in Calgary...

The Colours of Battistella (local family owned developer)


https://www.juliedempsey.ca/Colours.ubr


SAIT Parkade by Bing Thom




https://www.archdaily.com/129142/sai...ext_project=no


Annnd... can’t think of any others off the top of my head.

This one is UC in the East Village. It will double as a tech incubator hub on the bottom two floors with community amenities in the centre open-air section. The parking floors are designed to be converted to office or hotel space once non-autonomous vehicles become obsolete...



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Crazy that the garage in Philadelphia is called a parkade. I've never seen that word used outside of Western Canada.
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I give you West Edmonton Mall's parkade, t'was bragged as being the largest in the world when built.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5223.../data=!3m1!1e3

It has 3 levels in some parts.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5242...7i16384!8i8192

If you go to the mall, there is a 50% chance that the parking lot will be full and you will be driving in circles waiting for someone to leave.
Take a virtual tour around the mall and you will see what I mean.
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That first Laval photo is a perfect example of what's wrong with the suburbs. The residential area is actually pretty dense and could probably support some walkable neighbourhood businesses. But instead it's set up so that everyone needs to drive to the big box store just a few hundred metres away.


Canadian suburbia is actually frustrating in that it is "almost there".

A few more through-streets and corner businesses, and (say) Markham is outer Philadelphia. It's not pretty, but it's rows of houses. It can work.
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Parkades are never going to be a thing of beauty but at least those ones in Calgary posted above make some kind of effort to improve their appearance.

If you put some kind of non-parking related use on the ground level and add something to the exterior to give it a sculptural type of character like in that Philadelphia example, it is possible to make parkades tolerable in the urban context...
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Another problem with a lot of parkades (as well as underground parking) is the entry/exit system. Someone is always trying to make a left-hand turn, and pedestrians have to scramble to avoid being hit or very nearly so.

As others have said, ground level retail and an attempt to make the parkade levels/ramps less utilitarian can do wonders for their appearance.
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Another problem with a lot of parkades (as well as underground parking) is the entry/exit system. Someone is always trying to make a left-hand turn, and pedestrians have to scramble to avoid being hit or very nearly so.

As others have said, ground level retail and an attempt to make the parkade levels/ramps less utilitarian can do wonders for their appearance.
I wonder if cities have the power to make left hand turns from parking garages illegal.

I'm highly supportive of Montreal's no right turns on a red light. Makes the roads much safer and the drives much more relax (don't have a guy in a Ram 1500 beeping at me constantly while I'm trying to figure out if it's safe to go). I wish we would implement this in Ottawa, at the very least downtown.
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Reminds me of the downtown University of Calgary campus parkade...



It’s especially pretty when it’s windy, as the steel tiles move with the wind.



Some other decent examples in Calgary...

The Colours of Battistella (local family owned developer)


https://www.juliedempsey.ca/Colours.ubr


SAIT Parkade by Bing Thom




https://www.archdaily.com/129142/sai...ext_project=no


Annnd... can’t think of any others off the top of my head.

This one is UC in the East Village. It will double as a tech incubator hub on the bottom two floors with community amenities in the centre open-air section. The parking floors are designed to be converted to office or hotel space once non-autonomous vehicles become obsolete...



Although it borders a bit on Stampitecture this parkade on 9th ave is also a good example:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.0449...7i13312!8i6656
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10th Ave has some of the worst parkades in the entire city:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.0434...7i13312!8i6656
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Any other universities hide their Fine Arts department above a parkade like U of C? Took me forever to find it when I had a drawing class there in first year.
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Concordia's fine arts department is actually in a repurposed parking garage. If you don't believe me, see the before and after at https://www.concordia.ca/offices/arc...ore-after.html


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Another problem with a lot of parkades (as well as underground parking) is the entry/exit system. Someone is always trying to make a left-hand turn, and pedestrians have to scramble to avoid being hit or very nearly so.

As others have said, ground level retail and an attempt to make the parkade levels/ramps less utilitarian can do wonders for their appearance.
Very true. There are many examples of parking garages that are not only attractive but actually add to a city's urbanity. Most parking garages are sterile and unforgiving because they were allowed to be built that way and not because they had to.

This is just like a subway/rapid transit station...........some are as sterile and alienating as hell and others attractive and welcoming.
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I wonder if cities have the power to make left hand turns from parking garages illegal.

I'm highly supportive of Montreal's no right turns on a red light. Makes the roads much safer and the drives much more relax (don't have a guy in a Ram 1500 beeping at me constantly while I'm trying to figure out if it's safe to go). I wish we would implement this in Ottawa, at the very least downtown.
Why wouldn't cities be able to make no left turns illegal from private property onto a public boulevard?
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Parkades are never going to be a thing of beauty but at least those ones in Calgary posted above make some kind of effort to improve their appearance.

If you put some kind of non-parking related use on the ground level and add something to the exterior to give it a sculptural type of character like in that Philadelphia example, it is possible to make parkades tolerable in the urban context...
The Philadelphia facade is beautiful.

Parking garages are built like bunkers. Automation which saves space in expensive urban environments doesn't need to be built to such concrete standards. The showroom feel with bright lights showcasing the cars can be beautiful. Until then, the best solution will be to put parking behind residential or commercial units.
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