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Old Posted Apr 25, 2021, 1:58 PM
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Hoping for a design unveiling before September.

Any how. Here we are. Nearly 20 years folks. 2WTC was always a big favorite to many and the stand out of the piece. It worries me that they are having to 'redesign it' ...interior sure, but this tower could have been one of the cities best. I hope the crown is kept at least......if not outside observation deck please??!!


Oh and like others have said for building a twin. The location doesn't offset them like the originals. Even so 2 x 1WTC just doesn't work....



* NYguy perhaps a pole on what peoples thoughts are on the new complex 20 years later? Happy as it is? or would have rather gone with the 2005 Trump endorsed idea? Be interesting to see the pole outcome.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Varied opinions of the complex are here...

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...166333&page=18


Again, this is for the new 2 WTC.
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https://commercialobserver.com/2021/...-trade-center/

2 World Trade Center Poised to Get Underway With New Architect
The last, big missing piece of the redevelopment of the World Trade Center site has switched architects and is poised to get underway



BY DAVID M. LEVITT
SEPTEMBER 7, 2021


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For the most conspicuous missing piece of the post-9/11 master plan for the 16-acre World Trade Center site: It’s try, try again.

Silverstein Properties, which retains the building rights to 2 World Trade Center, is going back to architect Norman Foster of Foster + Partners as it tries to get what would be the second-tallest skyscraper at the site going.
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….. the designing of 2 World Trade has been returned to Norman Foster, the British architect best known for the “Gherkin”, an office tower in London so nicknamed due to its vegetable shape; 425 Park Avenue in New York, the first new construction on Park’s finance corridor in about 40 years; the Hearst headquarters on Eighth Avenue, a series of interlocking triangles rising out of a castle-like base built in the 1920s; and the ring-shaped Apple headquarters in Cupertino, Calif.

“We are proud to have been part of the World Trade Center redevelopment since 2005, when we were selected to design 2 World Trade Center,” said David Summerfield, a senior executive partner at Foster + Partners and lead architect for 2 WTC. “We can confirm that we are working with Larry Silverstein and the Silverstein organization on a new design for the building.”

The architect originally proposed a tower that would have four distinct sections, each rising to a slanted top, a design that would have appeared as four diamonds slanted in the direction of the memorial to the two original Twin Towers, now replaced by two square-shaped pools at the approximate spots where those towers stood.
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Silverstein, which leased the World Trade Center offices from the owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, a mere six weeks before the terrorist attack, is also in search of an occupant that would be key to getting 2 World Trade built. “The company is seeking an anchor tenant so it can get financing to have it built,” said Silverstein spokesperson Dara McQuillan.
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Both 7 and 4 World Trade are fully occupied, and the occupancy rate at 3 World Trade is 80 percent, according to McQuillan. “It would have been at 100 percent if it weren’t for the pandemic,” he said.

The 2 World Trade site today is taken up by a corrugated steel shed festooned with artwork. McQuillan said the shed contains utilities that serve the Oculus PATH terminal and shopping mall just south of the site. Underneath the site, he said the foundation for the skyscraper is already complete, which would shave one to two years off the time it typically takes for a building that big.
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Jeremy Moss, Silverstein’s executive vice president and director of leasing, expressed certainty that, within the next six to 12 months, “we will have commitments to the building” that will be enough to green-light construction. That’s given the interest the project has already generated from the business community. While Moss wouldn’t name names, he said companies from both the technology and finance industries have expressed enthusiasm in 2 World Trade.

“ It’s the natural next step, and the final step, in the development of the World Trade Center,” Moss said. “The demand for high-quality office space is probably greater than it’s ever been. Even during, and coming out of, the pandemic, there is a clear flight to quality, as companies place more value on the quality of their space than the cost of their space. It’s worth every penny to make sure they are creating the ideal environment.”
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2021, 4:37 PM
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20 years late is better than never, unless it's getting "underway"
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This is great news!
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Excellent with potential prospects to fill it. Also good news that Foster is the architect selected. Sounds about right, 6-12 months. This was always going to be a next cycle tower, especially what occurred prior to the pandemic with such interest in Midtown West.

This is one of many many projects restarting. Last two or three months have seen a lot of momentum on projects that seemed silent during 2020 and Q1/Q2 2021.



Now we just need 45 Broad to get rolling!
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2021, 5:54 PM
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I think that the Good Lord will deliver something amazing here that will be reminiscent of 270 but with even way more setbacks.
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I don't see any mention of going with a different design. And the fact that they said the existing foundation will save time is a good thing. Hopefully they're going with the original design. It was by far the best of the bunch.
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"Both 7 and 4 World Trade are fully occupied, and the occupancy rate at 3 World Trade is 80 percent, according to McQuillan. “It would have been at 100 percent if it weren’t for the pandemic,” he said." Wonder what the occupancy of 1 WTC is...
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"Both 7 and 4 World Trade are fully occupied, and the occupancy rate at 3 World Trade is 80 percent, according to McQuillan. “It would have been at 100 percent if it weren’t for the pandemic,” he said." Wonder what the occupancy of 1 WTC is...

https://therealdeal.com/2020/02/27/1...-firm-mdc/amp/

FEB 27, 2020

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MDC is taking just shy of 200,000 square feet at the Durst Organization and Port Authority’s 2.9 million-square-foot tower, boosting the building’s occupancy rate to 93 percent, the New York Post reported. The company, which controls firms such as Bruce Mau Design, 72andSunny and Anomaly, will become the tower’s third-largest tenant, after Conde Nast and GSA.


https://www.gobankingrates.com/money...nhattan-covid/

By Dawn Allcot
March 9, 2021

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… the World Trade Center complex, home of the Freedom Tower, shows healthier occupancy rates than elsewhere in lower Manhattan. One World Trade is 90% leased, Business Times says, with rents going for $75/square foot, according to Eric Engelhardt, senior managing director of commercial leasing at The Durst Organization, a property management firm with real estate in the World Trade Center.
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Technology and Finance industries have expressed interest. Raises curiosity on which tech company wants to anchor this or take a sizable allotment of it.

Amazon would be nice?

I think 500-700k sq/ft of space commitment would be in order to green light this.

Either a single or duel commitment or many single commitments. Hopefully the confidence is right.
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Sir Norman better hope that's not true! If it is, here's his chance to redeem himself.
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Technology and Finance industries have expressed interest. Raises curiosity on which tech company wants to anchor this or take a sizable allotment of it.

Amazon would be nice?

I think 500-700k sq/ft of space commitment would be in order to green light this.

Either a single or duel commitment or many single commitments. Hopefully the confidence is right.
I think that Amazon will anchor 15 Penn.
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We shall see...
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2021, 1:35 AM
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As I recall, IBM also seeks 500k sf.

I hope that Morgan Stanley anchors a new tower on Park.

Also, Apple also seeks a lot of space. Their 5 year lease is clearly an interim deal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...k-2020-2%3famp
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I take that 1,270 FT or less (yikes) has to be kept too no matter what?

Either way hooray for news but it sounds just more bluster once more.
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I take that 1,270 FT or less (yikes) has to be kept too no matter what?

Either way hooray for news but it sounds just more bluster once more.
Wasn't BIG's original design over 1,300'?

To the extent that everyone accepts 1 WTC's 1,776' fiction, I don't see why the top of this tower can't be 1,500' for example.
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I take that 1,270 FT or less (yikes) has to be kept too no matter what?

Either way hooray for news but it sounds just more bluster once more.
Larry doesn't bluster.

The last time he spoke like this, 21st Century FOX was on the hook.

They backed out. That stuff happens.
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Wasn't BIG's original design over 1,300'?

To the extent that everyone accepts 1 WTC's 1,776' fiction, I don't see why the top of this tower can't be 1,500' for example.
BIG’s tower is approx. 1,358’

While Norman Fosters’ is 1,270’
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BIG’s tower is approx. 1,358’

While Norman Fosters’ is 1,270’
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