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Interesting reading the comments in the articles below...

https://licpost.com/electeds-communi...orrow#comments



This is what the city was proposing (or TF Cornerstone) before Amazon came along. These will still be the first two sites to be built on, though with massive office space instead of residential.



https://licpost.com/van-bramer-giana...ws-against-hq2





https://licpost.com/public-scoping-m...ed-for-sept-17
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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...er-amazon-deal

Plastics company another winner in blockbuster Amazon deal
Plaxall owns roughly half the sites that Amazon needs for its LIC headquarters


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The mega-deal to bring half of Amazon's second headquarters to Long Island City will allow the $800 billion tech giant to reap a windfall of tax breaks and credits in return for hiring at least 25,000 workers.

It will also likely yield a jackpot for Plaxall, a plastics company founded by the late Louis Pfohl that owns two large sites that Amazon will build on to create roughly half of its planned 20-acre headquarters. The parcels surround Anable Basin on the Long Island City waterfront.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Plaxall is selling the sites or leasing them to the tech company, nor how much it could receive. State and city officials said that Amazon's deal with Plaxall was being privately arranged between the two parties and was separate from the transaction Amazon struck to lease city-owned land next to the Plaxall sites.
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But beyond the headquarters deal Plaxall appears to be getting another huge perk: A third site owned by the company that borders the planned Amazon campus, but is not part of it, will be included in the state-controlled process to rezone the sites to permit large-scale development and allow Plaxall to avoid City Council review and community input
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The general project plan structure has attracted criticism, including from Long Island City's Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, because it will allow the state to bypass the City Council to rezone the sites for millions of square feet of new office space. Both state and city officials have pointed out that general project plans have been used several times in the past for large scale development, such as building a sports arena over the Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn, towering office buildings at the World Trade Center, and a large expansion of Columbia University's headquarters in Upper Manhattan. The officials also state that the general project plan process will allow for community input.

The only problem they have with tbe General Project plan over the ULURP process, is that they won't get to slowdown and demand as many concessions as possible so it would appear they've done something. They'll still get the chane to nitpick everything, it just won't hold the same weight.
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https://nypost.com/2018/11/14/city-c...e-amazon-deal/

City Council looking into legal ways to challenge Amazon deal

By Rich Calder, Nolan Hicks and Bruce Golding November 14, 2018


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The City Council is reviewing its legal options to challenge the epic deal to bring Amazon to Queens, as a growing number of Democrats voiced opposition Wednesday.

Council Speaker Corey Johnson said he had “very significant problems” with the way Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, fellow Democrats, crafted nearly $3 billion in taxpayer-funded giveaways to the e-commerce behemoth to lure one of its two new headquarters to Long Island City.

Johnson also objected to plans that would exempt Amazon’s massive development from the city’s Uniform Land Use Review Process, which would require signoffs from the local Community Board and other officials. “I think something is fundamentally wrong when you are giving this much money away and public land away and it’s cloaked in secrecy,” he said during a City Hall news conference.


Asked about the potential of filing suit to block the development, Johnson said: “We are reviewing our options.”

Johnson also said, “Hell, no!” when asked if Amazon should get the private helipad promised in the deal, adding that CEO Jeff Bezos “should take the E train or the 7 train to Court Square and get off.”

Always wondered how this guy, who has been in town five minutes, managed to get the speaker job. Always assumed he was smarter than those other idiots, but maybe not. Nothing the governor did was illegal.
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Here Are the Outrageous Incentives That Losing Cities Offered Amazon for HQ2

By Aaron Mak
Nov. 14, 2018


Montgomery County, Maryland: $8.5 billion

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: $5.7 billion

Chicago, Illinois: More Than $2 Billion

Atlanta, Georgia: More Than $2 Billion

Newark, New Jersey: $7 billion

Columbus, Ohio: $2.8 Billion

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See what Pittsburgh offered in its failed Amazon HQ2 bid

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Nov. 15, 2018


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"In collaboration with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Allegheny County, the City of Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh Public Schools, we are prepared to offer Amazon a package valued at $4 billion over 25 years," the bid read.

That $4 billion broke down as follows:

• $637 million in capital to reduce initial occupancy costs, such as land value, infrastructure and transit

• $1.3 billion in performance based grants as Amazon creates jobs

• $2.1 billion in the way of forging Pittsburgh's future investments. These investments would improve fund pre-K, K-12 and workforce development programs and ensure affordable housing and transportation and infrastructure.

"The incentives weren't the driving force that was making their decision," Fitzgerald said when asked what he made of the fact that Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania's incentives exceeded what Amazon got from the cities chosen for the HQ2 expansion.

Sites in Allegheny County offered to Amazon at no cost included:

• Hazelwood Green

• The former Civic Arena Site

• 44 acres in the Strip District offered by Oxford Development

• Carrie Furnace

• 152 acres owned by the Allegheny County Airport Authority near Pittsburgh International Airport

In addition to those five sites, the bid identified 30 additional sites that Amazon could use for more office space, logistics, fulfillment, research and other uses.
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City Council looking into legal ways to challenge Amazon deal

By Rich Calder, Nolan Hicks and Bruce Golding November 14, 2018

Always wondered how this guy, who has been in town five minutes, managed to get the speaker job. Always assumed he was smarter than those other idiots, but maybe not. Nothing the governor did was illegal.
I'm beginning to think the city council does more harm than good. It seems to be a place where a bunch of people just say no to everything, instead of literally anything else.
     
     
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I'm beginning to think the city council does more harm than good. It seems to be a place where a bunch of people just say no to everything, instead of literally anything else.
The ULURP process is their whole reason for being, or at least that's the perception they've made. It's where individual councilman hold a LOT of power over developments that have to survive that process. But now that they won't get the chance, they're screaming like children whose toys the governor has taken away. The difference is, now they can make recommendations instead of demanding changes. Sometimes things are above your station, and the council doesn't like it. Sometimes, the higher ups get to make the decisions.


https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/cuomo-...ve-tax-breaks/

Cuomo calls Amazon deal a ‘home run’ while defending massive tax breaks

By Carl Campanile
November 15, 2018


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Gov. Andrew Cuomo has defended the massive deal to bring Amazon HQ2 to Long Island City — and dismissed as “nonsensical” complaints from “politicians who pander.”

Cuomo, responding to criticism Thursday over the combined $2.8 billion incentive package provided to Amazon by the city and state, said on WCNY’s “The Capitol Pressroom,” “I would do that [deal] all day long.”

“This is the largest economic infusion the state has ever seen,” Cuomo said of the deal with the e-commerce giant, which is expected to produce at least 25,000 jobs.

“It’s a big, transformative move for our economy in the tech sector. It diversifies our economy and it’s a home run … These are great jobs.”
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Cuomo said there are legitimate complaints, including those concerning housing, that must be addressed.

“Are there people in the surrounding community who are anxious? Of course … We’re talking to people in the community who have legitimate questions,” he said.

He said the influx of Amazon employees who will reside in Long Island City or nearby “will take housing off the market and create a housing issue. That is a legitimate concern. That creates a housing need.”

But the governor repeatedly defended the controversial taxpayer subsidies included in the Amazon plan. He said for every $1 billion in revenues New York gets from Amazon, the government is only giving the firm back $100 million — for a net plus of $900 million.

He said whenever there is change, there will be “nervous neighbors, bankers that bicker and politicians who pander.”
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 5:18 AM
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Some thoughts, and some issues the politicians - all of them - should be focused on.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0860184a6a155

Dear HQ2 Cities: Here’s How to Deal With Amazon. Love, Seattle.

By Michael Hobbes
11/15/2018


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Make Work Equitable

The logic behind New York’s and Virginia’s massive subsidies for Amazon ($48,000 and $22,000 per job, respectively) is that the company will have a multiplier effect, forming clusters of tech and service workers around its campuses.

There’s even evidence this will happen the way legislators want it to. A 2017 study of more than 300 cities found that each new high-tech job created five more in supporting industries. The study also found, however, that the majority of these additional jobs weren’t in high-tech sectors. Each highly paid, highly technical position created three jobs in “non-professional” occupations. What this means for the HQ2 cities is that, along with five more digits of software developers, they could find themselves with up to 75,000 new waiters, chefs, hairdressers, cashiers and janitors.

Virginia’s minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Neither the state nor the city of Arlington, where the bulk of Amazon’s investment will go, have policies guaranteeing paid sick leave or family leave for workers. If National Landing doesn’t improve basic working conditions, the primary effect of Amazon’s investment will be the creation of an army of impoverished, insecure workers. If Amazon, a massive, publicly traded corporation, can guarantee its workers a $15 per hour minimum wage, Virginia has no excuse not to match it.

Legally speaking, things look slightly better in New York. The city already has paid sick leave and family leave and a minimum wage heading toward $15 an hour. Where the city falls down, however, is enforcement. A 2017 evaluation found rampant evidence of informal work, wage theft and sexual harassment, especially among female workers and immigrants. Nearly 20 percent of food-service employees hired as “contingent workers” said they were paid below the minimum wage.

Many of the workers Amazon is hiring for its HQ2 locations will enjoy six-figure salaries alongside luxurious benefit packages. If its new host cities want to make the most of the company’s investment, the least they can do is crack down on the exploitation of the people feeding, clothing and cleaning the homes of its workers.
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One of the painful, forgotten truths of municipal politics is that cities do not decide how large their populations will be. Amazon did not ask Seattle’s permission to expand by 35,000 workers in 2010. The 114,000 people who moved here in the last eight years did not apply for visas. It all just … happened.

But, although cities don’t control their own growth, they do control how they respond to it. Since Amazon began its rapid expansion, Seattle has built about one new home for every three new jobs. That makes us superstars compared with San Francisco, where the ratio is 1 to 8, but it’s still nowhere enough to meet the need.

The result is nearly a decade of relentless but mostly invisible gentrification. While plenty of glass-and steel-towers have gone up downtown, the vast majority of the city is preserved in amber by zoning regulations that make it illegal to build anything other than McMansions. That hasn’t stopped tech workers from moving here, but it has pitted them against each other in bidding wars for the homes already here. According to their Zillow application, the two Microsoft employees who moved into my last apartment — I decided to move out after two years of 10 percent rent increases — have a combined income of $248,000 per year. The look of my neighborhood didn’t change, but the wealth of its residents did.

Amazon’s new host cities shouldn’t make the same mistake. Even before the company announced its new host cities, Arlington had a housing shortage, steeply rising prices and a local debate about whether to loosen restrictions on building apartments. Across the river, Washington’s lack of affordability is well-documented, and the city is already behind on the estimated 690,000 units of housing it needs by 2045 just to keep up with job growth.

Queens, as part of a city slightly more comfortable with skyscrapers, looks better on this score. The HQ2 site in Long Island City has already built more housing than any other New York neighborhood since 2010. Still, since Amazon’s announcements, calls to halt construction and slow down a planned rezoning are intensifying.

Local residents’ worries make sense. The neighborhood is already suffering from rapid gentrification, and Amazon’s buildings are sited right next to the country’s largest public housing complex. The mayor’s and governor’s ostensible reasons for inviting Amazon are to lift up local residents, not to displace them with luxury condos.

But if Seattle’s experience demonstrates anything, it is that refusing to build new housing won’t lessen gentrification pressures. It will intensify them. Amazon workers, like everyone else, want to live close to their jobs. If the city builds as tall and as dense as possible, new apartments could act as a release valve for the influx of new demand. If the city refuses to ― like San Francisco has for decades ― rich techies will simply buy or rent up all the real estate that’s already there.

No one likes a bunch of soulless new apartment towers going up next door. But in the last two years, as Seattle has added them by the dozen, rents have finally leveled off. We’ve also added fees on developers that pay into a fund to preserve affordable housing.
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King County, where Seattle sits, has the third-largest homeless population in the United States. Nearly 50 percent are unsheltered.

Last year, city officials passed a modest tax on large corporations to scale up the city’s response to the crisis. Almost immediately, Amazon officials threatened to halt the company’s expansion and move thousands of jobs to other cities. Then, when the City Council didn’t relent, the company teamed up with Starbucks to fund an effort to repeal the tax through a ballot initiative.

It worked. Facing a deep-pocketed publicity campaign, the City Council reversed its decision and repealed the law. Somehow, two of the world’s largest corporations convinced voters that mandatory contributions to solving the problems they (partially) helped cause was a bridge too far. Two months later, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos announced that he was donating $2 billion, or around 1.2 percent of his personal wealth, to ending homelessness and supporting early childhood education. He declined, however, to specify which charities he would give to or how much per year.
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The ULURP process is their whole reason for being, or at least that's the perception they've made. It's where individual councilman hold a LOT of power over developments that have to survive that process. But now that they won't get the chance, they're screaming like children whose toys the governor has taken away. The difference is, now they can make recommendations instead of demanding changes. Sometimes things are above your station, and the council doesn't like it. Sometimes, the higher ups get to make the decisions...
Agreed, and instead of trying to fix the underlying problem driving the need for subsidies, high taxes and awful services, they're just whining. Our tax dollars hard at work.
     
     
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I've been reading a lot about the helipad that "the city is building for Amazon", which of course it isn't.

And now they're stealing housing...


https://www.fastcompany.com/90269111...g-units-in-nyc

Report: Amazon’s HQ2 could eliminate 1,500 affordable housing units in NYC

BY CALE GUTHRIE WEISSMAN


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Not only are the state and city giving the company huge tax incentives–and I mean huge!–but it turns out Amazon is also going to take up space that was intended for affordable housing. So while Amazon’s very presence will surely jack up the already-rising cost of living in New York, the company’s footprint may further deny people in need of a new place to live.

According to Politico, two different developers were planning to build new housing complexes–which would have included around 1,500 affordable units. Now those spaces are both being scooped up by Amazon for the company’s new buildings. One of the developers may be able to build something much smaller, but it’s unclear if it will stick to the housing plan or go for something else.
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Of course, this is just one relatively small concession the city is making to be one of Amazon’s chosen locations. For instance, New York is handing over over $33 million to the company next year; in return, Amazon only needs to create 595 jobs in 2019. Not to mention the helipad Amazon is requiring the city to provide–likely to shuttle important people who wouldn’t deign to ride the subway or take a car.

Overall, it’s becoming more clear that New York politicians wanted so desperately to secure a deal, they didn’t consider the cost. The cost, we’re learning, includes millions of dollars from taxpayers, an additional burden on the city’s infrastructure, and actual houses for those who need them most.



https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-e...201841994.html

NYC economic development chief defends Amazon HQ2 deal amid backlash


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November 15, 2018


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Amazon is bringing 25,000 high-paying tech jobs to New York City, and New York reportedly gave Amazon $1.5 billion in incentives to do it.

...the news has been met by fierce criticism from many who fear rent prices will rise, the subway will get more crowded, and the fabric of Queens will fundamentally change.

But James Patchett, CEO of New York City’s Economic Development Corporation, said Amazon will change Queens for the better.
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“No company has seriously considered Queens, apart from JetBlue, as a potential corporate headquarters,” Patchett said on Yahoo Finance’s live Morning Meeting show on Thursday. “Having Amazon here changes the economic future of Queens. It changes the future of Queens residents. It also changes the future of the New York City economy. Our economy will be made stronger by having an additional central business district located in Long Island City.”

Patchett also suggests that Amazon coming to Queens is a way for New York to move beyond its Wall Street image: “We’ve traditionally been associated with the finance industry… But we need to begin thinking about the future. We have over 300,000 people in the city working in technology. Companies like Amazon are the companies of the future.
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Although Patchett, a fiduciary of New York City, welcomes Amazon and supports the move, he also points to the state, not the city, as the primary mover in offering incentives and pushing to get Amazon.

“The state is the one who put the incentive package on the table,” Patchett said. “Their analysis shows that this is a 9-to-1 investment return for the state. That means the tax revenues coming out of this investment will be nine times the amount of incentives the state is putting in. From a city perspective, we did not put a single dime of discretionary tax incentives into this transaction. From the very beginning, the mayor said, New York City does not need to compete on incentives. We have incredible talent, incredible infrastructure, that is what is going to sell New York. And fundamentally, we stuck to that.”

Patchett also points to the media for at first not taking New York seriously as a candidate for HQ2, then rapidly shifting to criticism once Amazon announced it selected New York.

“I think it’s important to step back to what the media narrative was about this 12 months ago… No one took New York seriously,” he said. “No one thought that New York had a chance because of the high cost of doing business here. It was universally considered to be not a serious player for this. And I think the narrative has changed now, suddenly, to, ‘How could the state be offering incentives?'”
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All the new buildings in LIC are pretty ugly. Hopefully some more thought is put into Amazon's new HQ.
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True. It looks like the River North District in Chicago, sans the towers sitting on huge parking garages. However, Amazon should transform it a lot.
     
     
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I agree that a lot of the high-rises, especially the hotels popping up to the north of Queens Plaza, are pretty bland-to-ugly. Luckily there are a lot of really charming blocks in LIC, even some that rival brownstone Brooklyn. Over towards the river (where Amazon is going) there are some very pretty streets (Hunters Point and Vernon-Jackson are really fascinating places to explore). Plus I remember roaming the desolate streets of Williamsburg in the early 2000s and they were as ugly as some parts of LIC are today. Now they rival SoHo in street activity.
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The budget hotels in LIC lack quality too. Very similar to the budget hotels around MSG.

As the business and worker population increases, I'd hope for some top brands to move to the area with stellar designs.

The area has seen a massive increase in street activity. I recall last summer alone, I could of swore there were more construction workers and f250 pickups than there were regular people and cars, especially around lunch time where they crowd the corners.

A lot of younger folks too. LIC has some fine women as well, which is always great for the quality of life index (and their not stuck up like the ones on the UWS where the faces look like angry statues).

Traffic though is an issue. That will have to be alleviated somehow.
     
     
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M.T.A. Warns of Fare Increases and Service Cuts as Budget Crisis Looms

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The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is facing a looming budget crisis that could lead to major fare increases or drastic cuts to subway and bus service, officials warned Thursday.

The transit agency, which is still struggling to fix New York’s sputtering subway, needs an influx of new funding to avoid serious consequences for subway and bus riders, officials said.

The revelation over potential fare increases came the same week that Amazon was promised nearly $2 billion in incentives from the state to locate a headquarters in Long Island City, Queens. Mr. Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio courted Amazon and have celebrated the decision, but the incentives have been widely criticized by local leaders.

The authority appears to be in its worst financial shape in a decade. Facing budget shortfalls after the 2008 recession, major fare increases and service cuts were approved. In 2010, the price of a monthly MetroCard jumped by 17 percent to $104 a month. It is now $121. The agency has raised fares every two years at a relatively modest rate as part of an agreement with the State Legislature.

“Riders have been paying more every two years for almost a decade,” said John Raskin, executive director of the Riders Alliance, an advocacy group. “But in that time, public transit service has deteriorated.”
Even with proposed fare and toll increases, the MTA still faces an almost $1 billion deficit by 2022

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Agency faces a nearly $1 billion deficit by 2022

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority on Thursday unveiled proposals to raise fares and tolls across the region as officials painted a bleak financial picture for the agency.

Even with the proposed fare and toll increases, the agency still faces an almost $1 billion deficit by 2022, the MTA’s chief financial officer warned board members at a meeting Thursday.

The MTA, which runs the subway, buses, Metro-North and Long Island railroads as well as nine bridges and tunnels, must find additional sources of revenue, Finance Chief Robert Foran said. Otherwise, he said, the agency could be forced to raise fares and tolls by significantly higher amounts in the coming years and to make significant service cuts.

For the subway and buses, board members were presented with two options. The first proposed freezing the price of the base MetroCard fare at $2.75, while eliminating the 5% bonus currently added to MetroCard purchases over $5.50. That proposal would raise the cost of a 30-day MetroCard by 5% to $127.

A second option would raise the base MetroCard fare by 9.1% to $3 and offer a 10% bonus on MetroCard purchases of at least $6. Under this option, the price of a 30-day MetroCard would rise 4.3% to $126.25.
Meanwhile....

New York, Virginia taxpayers to cough up $4.2 billion for Amazon HQ2

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Amazon and CEO Jeff Bezos are set to pocket about $4 billion from the two municipalities, and the total bill could come out to around $4.2 billion. That’s because New York and Arlington County, Virginia, will need to borrow money by issuing bonds to pay for the tax credits. The total means an additional $200 million in interest payments, based on New York and Arlington County’s most recently issued bond rates of about 5%.

Local elected officials in New York have already spoken out against the deal.

“Offering massive corporate welfare from scarce public resources to one of the wealthiest corporations in the world at a time of great need in our state is just wrong,” New York state Senator Michael Gianaris and New York City Council Member Jimmy Van Bramer wrote in an op-ed earlier this week.

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Bizarre logic to argue that the NYC subway would receive more financing if the city had 40,000 fewer 150k+ jobs.

Obviously Amazon HQ, given the city-state tax rates, will massively increase tax revenues, which flows to the MTA (much of MTA revenue is a direct line item income tax). So if you care about the NYC subway, obviously you want more high-paying jobs in the city.

The "subsidies" to Amazon are just reductions on highest-in-nation-by-far corporate tax rates, and don't have any relationship whatsoever to MTA funding.
     
     
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Gold.

But like most SNL sketches, goes on a little too long.
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I'm hoping that all of these new units being delivered near Amazon's LIC HQ will lessen the impact on my rent here in NW Queens/Astoria. But then again, it's probably wrong to assume that every Amazon employee is going to want to live right by where they work. Greenpoint is going to explode.
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