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Old Posted Feb 21, 2022, 12:39 AM
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I'd take Extell's narrative over that of the NY Post. They're entertaining, but rarely right.
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I'd take Extell's narrative over that of the NY Post. They're entertaining, but rarely right.
That's one way of putting it.
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I'd take Extell's narrative over that of the NY Post. They're entertaining, but rarely right.
That’s true.
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This article seems to contradict what Extell presented to the Community Board recently.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/20/extell...stery-holdout/

Extell’s Fifth Avenue tower may have to build around mystery buyer’s holdout
By Steve Cuozzo
February 20, 2022


I don’t see any contradictions, it’s just not broken down the way we know it to be.


Extell’s Fifth Avenue tower may have to build around mystery buyer’s holdout


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When Extell Development Corp. builds a long-awaited supertall office-and-retail tower at the corner of Fifth Avenue and 47th Street, one piece will be conspicuously missing from the 1,100 foot-tall giant — the actual corner of Fifth Avenue and 47th Street.

A mysterious Korean company swooped onto the site late last year and snatched up 576 Fifth Ave., the last parcel that Extell chief Gary Barnett needed to create a block-long façade on the avenue that he spent 10 years trying to assemble. He owns the rest of the blockfront — as well as vacant land and buildings along West 46th and 47th streets.

But his massive project will have a large missing tooth at its northern corner.
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Barnett recently filed plans with the Department of Buildings for options for two different towers at the site: One option, a supertall, would be mainly for offices and would have 1.5 million square feet of floor space. The other option, which would be smaller, would stand only 476 feet in the event Extell can’t land an anchor office tenant to build the jumbo.

Both designs are wending their way through the city’s Uniform Land Use Review Procedure, hoping to earn a significant size bonus in exchange for upgrades that Extell would make to the nearby East 53rd Street and Fifth Avenue subway station. Such deals are allowed under new East Midtown zoning rules.

Among other proposed improvements, Extell would make the deep E, M and F station accessible to disabled people for the first time.

But Barnett must also deal with the challenge of designing and constructing his new tower around 576 Fifth Ave., which opened in 1907.
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The Korean company swooped in last fall and bought the 1907-vintage, 12-story location for $101 million — or $1,285 per square foot.

By comparison, the average fourth-quarter sale price for Manhattan office buildings was $954.

The purchase price was below the $113 million asking price posted in October 2020, but much higher than other offers submitted in the blind-bidding process, according to a source.

Sources said those offers last summer, including one from Extell, were in the $60 million to $80 million range.

The pricier sale to the Korean group apparently took Barnett by surprise.
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The head of Sae-A’s US operations, Chloe Saiyon Kim, did not respond to e-mails seeking comment on her firm’s plans for 576 Fifth Ave. Barnett didn’t respond to requests for comment, either.

Observers who didn’t want to be named wondered why Sae-A paid more than it needed to for a building faced with difficult years ahead.

Whatever they do, it’s going to be surrounded by Barnett’s project on three sides, with all the noise, demolition and debris that will bring,” one source said.

“Also, although there are no rules, it’s considered bad form to step into another company’s assemblage just when it’s nearly complete.”

Another possibility raised by a different insider is that Sae-A was aware of Barnett’s almost-complete assemblage and bought 576 Fifth in hopes of selling it to him for a higher price.

Everything checks out. We all know that the zoning approval was for an 1,100 ft zoning envelope that accomodated two different designs, as well as the standard, much shorter as of right version.

We also know Barnett, the King of assemblages, tried to consolidate his site, even presenting an image of a tower that included the 576 site. Barnett has a similar problem at his 8th Avenue tower site.

The only thing we didn’t know was who bought the 576 site.
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The contradiction between the article and Extell's presentation to the CB is set forth in the following quote:

"Barnett recently filed plans with the Department of Buildings for options for two different towers at the site: One option, a supertall, would be mainly for offices and would have 1.5 million square feet of floor space. The other option, which would be smaller, would stand only 476 feet in the event Extell can’t land an anchor office tenant to build the jumbo."

Extell suggested that it will be a condo/hotel if it can't land an office tenant -- not a spec office tower that's half the size of the current proposal.

On another matter, Extell's presentations showed the office and residential versions sitting right next to the old building on the corner. It doesn't need that structure.
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Should've known the serendipitous preservation of 576 Fifth was too good to be true. All so a little bit more of Fifth Ave charm can be lost for a bigger footprint and shorter tower.
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The contradiction between the article and Extell's presentation to the CB is set forth in the following quote:

"Barnett recently filed plans with the Department of Buildings for options for two different towers at the site: One option, a supertall, would be mainly for offices and would have 1.5 million square feet of floor space. The other option, which would be smaller, would stand only 476 feet in the event Extell can’t land an anchor office tenant to build the jumbo."


Extell suggested that it will be a condo/hotel if it can't land an office tenant -- not a spec office tower that's half the size of the current proposal.

On another matter, Extell's presentations showed the office and residential versions sitting right next to the old building on the corner. It doesn't need that structure.

The article is a reference to the proposed and as of right versions. It could have been explained better for the general public, but we already know enough about what’s going on to catch it.












Extell did give us a glimpse of a tower with the full 5th Avenue frontage. Doesn’t look like it will happen, unless something changes before the approval process, which starts soon, is completed.



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Barnett recently filed plans with the Department of Buildings for options for two different towers at the site: One option, a supertall, would be mainly for offices and would have 1.5 million square feet of floor space. The other option, which would be smaller, would stand only 476 feet in the event Extell can’t land an anchor office tenant to build the jumbo.
Does the 476 foot building replace the original ~850 foot version?

I get the feeling we won't see anything tall here at all, let alone a 1000 footer, which is really disappointing, especially with that beautiful design.
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Does the 476 foot building replace the original ~850 foot version?

I get the feeling we won't see anything tall here at all, let alone a 1000 footer, which is really disappointing, especially with that beautiful design.

We just discussed that in this thread not long ago. The shorter building is the as-of-right version. That ALWAYs has to be filed, as the difference between that and the actual proposal is what gets studied. It’s in all the approvals, of which the process will begin soon here.
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We just discussed that in this thread not long ago. The shorter building is the as-of-right version. That ALWAYs has to be filed, as the difference between that and the actual proposal is what gets studied. It’s in all the approvals, of which the process will begin soon here.
What threw me off was the 476' figure, didn't the as of right version used to be 858'?

That would have still been decent, now I'm just worried we won't even get an official skyscraper out of this site.
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What threw me off was the 476' figure, didn't the as of right version used to be 858'?

That would have still been decent, now I'm just worried we won't even get an official skyscraper out of this site.
Don't worry, Zap. This is the greatest city in the world. Name one city that's not in an autocratic, totalitarian regime that's building anything remotely close to NY.

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What threw me off was the 476' figure, didn't the as of right version used to be 858'?

No, Extell is seeking approval for 2 versions of the tower. Either the taller, supertall residential tower. Or the shorter, 858 ft office tower. Obviously, the 400 footer won’t need approval.
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Some activity going on on site, in addition to the continued demolition. Obviously no construction activity, as this hasn't begun the official approvals process yet.
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I wonder if Extell might try to acquire 578 5th. It’s a gorgeous building that simply needs to be restored, but having the full block would be huge for Extell.
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Demolition, Excavation Continue For Extell’s Potential Supertall At 570 Fifth Avenue In Midtown, Manhattan





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Demolition is progressing at 570 Fifth Avenue, the site of a potential supertall skyscraper in Midtown, Manhattan. Developed by Extell, the tower could reach an architectural height of 1,100 feet tall with 78 stories in a 1,462,174-square-foot mixed-use hotel and residential scheme. As an office tower, the building would stand 860 feet tall with 47 stories and 1,543,759 square feet. 46/47 Owner LLC is the owner and ALBA Services is the general contractor for the property, which is located at the corner of West 46th Street and Fifth Avenue.

At the time of our last update in early March, demolition work was just beginning on the two old structures at 2-8 West 47th Street and 10 West 47th Street. Since then, several floors have been removed from both, and scaffolding and an additional exterior elevator have been added to aid in their razing.

Excavators have piled a large amount of dirt along the border of Fifth Avenue, while more machinery has arrived on site.

It was reported that foundation work is expected to last roughly 12 months, followed by superstructure and exterior construction taking 28 months with a three-month overlap with the initial below-grade work, and then interior work, also lasting 28 months with an overlap of 11 months with the previous stage in construction.

570 Fifth Avenue’s completion is estimated for around the end of 2027 to early 2028, based on the schedule above.
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