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Old Posted Feb 25, 2016, 2:21 AM
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I've asked and emailed a lot of people about that thing on the roof and some have a supposition, but no one knows for sure what it is. I had a couple library people trying to find out, too. I've even looked for something similar on buildings in other cities to no avail.

HossC would those building permits you've found to post occasionally lead to any clues if the building was remodeled or anything?
I looked at the permits today and got nothing out of it but a headache. I still have no clue what that thing is.

this view was originally posted by E-R



But this building was remodeled in 1937. S. Charles Lee turned it into the streamlined Sontag that opened 12-19-1937, with the address 6637 Hollywood Blvd., seen in this great color photo from E-R's post #29450



The Jade moved up the block to 6619 Hollywood Blvd. in November 1937. Its vertical sign can be seen in the color photo, red with gold lettering. (The Curtain Store, with the "Drapes Made Free" blade sign, at 6625 were unaffected by the remodel- their sign is in both photos)

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I looked at the permits today and got nothing out of it but a headache. I still have no clue what that thing is.

this view was originally posted by E-R



But this building was remodeled in 1937. S. Charles Lee turned it into the streamlined Sontag that opened 12-19-1937, with the address 6637 Hollywood Blvd., seen in this great color photo from E-R's post #29450



The Jade moved up the block to 6619 Hollywood Blvd. in November 1937. Its vertical sign can be seen in the color photo, red with gold lettering. (The Curtain Store, with the "Drapes Made Free" blad sign, at 6625 were unaffected by the remodel- their sign is in both photos)
Interesting history of the area. >> A lot of alleged moral depravity at Bradlee's?
http://gogonotes.blogspot.com/2008/0...-cherokee.html

Having previously pondered if the box functioned as a means of advertising, I return to another idea, live stage performances. But, unless the proscenium rotated, was it pointed at a particular audience or structure? Could "the action" be easily viewed from street level?


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Old Posted Feb 25, 2016, 5:46 AM
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Interesting history of the area. >> A lot of alleged moral depravity at Bradlee's?
the last photo, the modern day shot, is showing Hollywood & La Palmas.

The building with the mystery box - before it got a streamlined makeover for Sontag's Drug in 1937 -is at Hollywood & Cherokee. This is it today; the address is now 6633.

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As Sontag, it was numbered 6637. The US Building & Loan/Bradley's across Cherokee on the NW corner was 6651.
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Here's a couple photos of the NBC Radio City Building at Sunset and Vine that
were posted on the BDIH site that I haven't seen before. Lots of sailors milling
about on the corner in the second one.



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the last photo, the modern day shot, is showing Hollywood & La Palmas.

You are, of course, correct. Purpose was a focus on rooftop advertising as impetus for thoughts regarding the framed "box."
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You are, of course, correct. Purpose was a focus on rooftop advertising as impetus for thoughts regarding the framed "box."
Yeah, I was thinking over your ideas of maybe some sort of performance use and position of the box, and wonder whether you could even see the thing if you were standing on that side of the street. It seems like whatever it was, it was oriented to the opposite side of the street. Across Hollywood Blvd on the SW corner of Cherokee was the office building that from 1933 on housed the Screen Actors Guild and Screen Writers Guild- maybe the mystery thing, if it was performance-related, was linked up to them in some way? That's all I got.
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I posted Julius Shulman pictures of the Pan Pacific Auditorium a couple of days ago. Now we have the offices of its architects, Wurdeman & Becket. There's no address with the images and no exterior views. The 1956 CD lists them at 5657 Wilshire Boulevard, which is the Mar-Fay/Marfay building we saw in post #33294 (and also designed by Wurdeman & Becket). That photoset also dates form 1949, so are we looking at the Marfay here? This is "Job 539: Wurdeman & Becket, Wurdeman & Becket Offices (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1949".



The book on the table has the title "L'Architecture Française". Here's an enlargement of the picture by the window.



I like this floating table, although those corners look sharp! Pictures of Wurdeman and Becket seem to be scarce - does this picture show either/both of them? I see that Walter Wurdeman died in 1949 (the year of this photo).



The last two images appear to show a waiting area and the reception desk.





All from Getty Research Institute
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Here's a couple photos of the NBC Radio City Building at Sunset and Vine that
were posted on the BDIH site that I haven't seen before. Lots of sailors milling
about on the corner in the second one.


The Navy advocated that a wholesome way to visit Hollywood would be for the sailors to see a live radio show and meet the stars.
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It worked for GUY MADISON!
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I like this floating table, although those corners look sharp! Pictures of Wurdeman and Becket seem to be scarce - does this picture show either/both of them? I see that Walter Wurdeman died in 1949 (the year of this photo).


That's Welton Becket on the left, Wurdeman on the right....


PS
Another shot of the two:
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Photo dated 5-22-48

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As a reminder, it is the building with the mysterious boxy thingy on the roof.


Martin Pal http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=21278

If I remember correctly, the odd shape on the roof is one mystery that we haven't been able to solve on NLA. -a rarity!

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Maybe it was an early attempt at a giant television type billboard and the technology of the time was a cathode ray tube that required the box to be that deep. I don't see the giant rabbit ear antennae though. Those billboards are common today with flat screen technology. The first television broadcast did take place in 1936.
I'm kidding of course but it kind of makes sense, right?
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1931 - Harvard and Glendale Ave.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/47181/rec/4

1931

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/47181/rec/4





1932 - Harvard and Glendale Blvd. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/64911/rec/1






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Maybe it was an early attempt at a giant television type billboard and the technology of the time was a cathode ray tube that required the box to be that deep. I don't see the giant rabbit ear antennae though. Those billboards are common today with flat screen technology. The first television broadcast did take place in 1936.
I'm kidding of course but it kind of makes sense, right?
The thing fascinates me. It's sitting at an irregular angle to the building. Has anybody played with a map or aerials to see what it was pointed at?

Edit: I washed out the photo, you can see there was something rectangular in there:



Cheers,

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Thanks for lightening this Earl. It never occurred to me (to do that)

The rectangle appears to be a screen set back several feet from the front of the frame.

The angle is odd. This is a corner site so you'd think it would be positioned toward the intersection, not away from it.







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I don't have an address for this impressive Neutra designed market, but it's obviously in the San Pedro/Channel Heights area.


[1942]

http://modernlove20.tumblr.com/post/...a-in-san-pedro






http://modernlove20.tumblr.com/post/...a-in-san-pedro

Reflected in the plate-glass windows is a wide expanse of, well,....nothingness.

Could this open area be Peck Park, as it was in the 1940s?




"The Channel Heights Housing Project is long gone. The buildings and streets have been replaced by modern housing tracts.
The RED shaded area on the map below shows their approximate locations."



http://www.synthetrix.com/CHSP1942/ch.htm

"The blue lines and C's indicate canyon areas."

from: http://www.synthetrix.com/CHSP1942/ch.htm

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Speaking of San Pedro (also yesterday's "Alhambra" bar), here's something else in San Pedro:


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...we know he "enlisted in the Army Air Corps as a private in
December, 1940, (age 25) at Fort MacArthur, San Pedro, CA."
I was curious about Fort MacArthur, and I can't believe I have never heard of this place before now, consciously anyway. There's A LOT of info--here's a post about some of it!

Fort MacArthur - The post was created in 1888, when President Grover Cleveland designated an area overlooking San Pedro Bay as an unnamed military reservation intended to improve the defenses of the expanding Los Angeles harbor area. Fort MacArthur was formally created on October 31, 1914, named for General Arthur MacArthur, a U.S. Civil War Medal of Honor recipient and father of General Douglas MacArthur.

The area is divided up into these designations: The Upper Reservation, the Middle Reservation and the Lower Reservation.

During World War I, the fort was utilized as a training center and the first large gun batteries for harbor defense were installed in 1917. However, the test firings of these guns was extremely unpopular with area residents and by the end of World War II the large guns were already being removed.

During the early years of the Cold War, the post became a key part of the west coast's antiaircraft defenses and the home of the 47th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Brigade.

In 1975 Fort MacArthur became a sub-post of Fort Ord, and the Upper and Lower Reservations were soon transferred ownership of the fort's to the City of Los Angeles. The Upper Reservation is now the San Pedro's Angels Gate Park, which is home to the Fort MacArthur Military Museum. The museum, housed in the Battery Osgood-Farley, preserves and interprets the history of Fort MacArthur and maintains several historical structures which were part of the U.S. Army's role in the defense of the American continental coastline from invasion.

The Lower Reservation of Fort MacArthur was dredged and is now the city's Cabrillo Marina. The Middle Reservation was transferred to the Air Force in 1982 and is still being used as base housing for the Los Angeles Air Force Base.

A 1937 photo showing the Upper Reservation: CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR A LARGE VERSION.


A 1937 photo showing the Middle Reservation and the Lower Reservation: CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR A LARGE VERSION.


Here's a couple of current photos of the grounds:

Fort MacArthur, Patton Quadrangle, Middle Reservation:




Historic Officer's Quarters, Middle Reservation, Fort MacArthur:



Beautiful...

There is a museum there, The Fort MacArthur Museum. The Museum was established in 1985.



The Fort MacArthur Museum is dedicated to the preservation and interpretation of the history of Fort MacArthur, a U.S. Army post which guarded the Los Angeles harbor from 1914 to 1974. The Museum was established in 1985, and it is housed in the corridors and galleries of historic Battery Osgood-Farley. The Fort MacArthur Reservations hold an important collection of historical structures which were part of the U.S. Army's role in the defense of the American continental coastline from invasion. These structures clearly trace the development of American coastal defenses, from the all big gun era of the turn of the century to the missile era of today. The rooms, galleries and corridors of the Museum contain a variety of exhibits and displays which include: the history of Los Angeles harbor defenses, home-front activities in the greater Los Angeles area during the World Wars, Civil Defense, American Pacific Theater military campaigns, early American Air Defenses and the important role of Los Angeles as a military port for both the Army and the Navy.

A couple of the 229 interesting photos of the museum and grounds listed on Yelp.








(I don't recall ever seeing the Los Angeles Times front page of this day.)



As one might expect, this location has been used for filming movies and television programs.
They've filmed movies there you might expect, like MIDWAY, MACARTHUR, TORA! TORA! TORA!
and A FEW GOOD MEN, but also ones you might not expect to be like DRAGNET, DON'T MESS
WITH THE ZOHAN and THE USUAL SUSPECTS and TV series like NCIS and THE A-TEAM, but
also TORCHWOOD and BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER.

What I also learned is that every year since 1991 they've had a fundraiser for the
grounds and museum. A poster for this year:



The Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942!
(I believe there's been some coverage of the actual 1942 event on NLA previously.)



They must not do a very good job of publicity for this event because I'd have
gone to it already! I even just missed it last Saturday night!

Photos from it: The first, third and fourth photos are from last weekend.









Here's a promo video on the www.airraid.com site for this event:



And here's footage of the air raid part of the event from last Saturday night:

Video Link


WELL, since I've missed this re-enactment until now, the good thing is that
next year will be the 75th ANNIVERSARY of the event! Should be great!
FEBRUARY 24, 1942
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All info, photos and videos from these links:
http://www.fortwiki.com/Fort_MacArthur
http://www.ftmac.org/index.htm
http://www.theairraid.com
http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/fort-...-pedro?start=0
http://bestofthesouthbay.com/event/t...-raid-of-1942/
https://vimeo.com/57757985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJnQvm6Srs

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Interesting look inside the offices of architects Wurdeman & Becket Hoss. I too like that 'floating' desk. Very cool!


I was intrigued by the objet d' art on the wall above that floating desk.

Here's a closer look.


detail

It appears to be a stylized man playing a harp with a rather huge arm.

I believe this is a representation of Bragi, the Norse God of Poetry and Eloquence pictured below with his harp.



http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/16...a-Nordica.html









Of course, this being Los Angeles it could be this guy.



http://www.marx-brothers.org/whyaduck/greetings.htm

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Speaking of San Pedro (also yesterday's "Alhambra" bar), here's something else in San Pedro:








Undated. Battery Leary-Merriam
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073764.jpg





1915 - Gunnery practice
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073774.jpg




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Battery Erwin included the longest ranging artillery pieces at Fort MacArthur prior to World War Two and were designed to shoot a 1,450 pound shell up to 27 miles. The railway mounted guns could turn 360 degrees and fire in any direction. The advantage of the track mount limited the guns to a 7 degree traverse, which prevented the recoil force from exerting too much pressure on the tracks, possibly leaving the guns stranded. Both of Battery Erwin's guns remained active throughout WWII, but were declared surplus at the war's end and cut up for scrap
1925 - Battery Erwin
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073765.jpg




1925 - Battery Erwin (Keeping Catalina Safe!)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073769.jpg





Undated. Many might prefer a different view. Battery Erwin
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073770.jpg




Undated
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I like this floating table, although those corners look sharp! Pictures of Wurdeman and Becket seem to be scarce - does this picture show either/both of them? I see that Walter Wurdeman died in 1949 (the year of this photo).



Messrs. Wurdeman and Becket, a far-fetched Disney connection?






Kem Weber designed, Lawson Zephyr Clock*
http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stori...2NR.z-ZJVA.jpg


Kem: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20512



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Walt Disney planned a new million-dollar studio complex in Burbank with profits from Snow White. Kem Weber (architect and [clock] designer) worked with James Lill (structural engineer) to design the 51-acre campus. Many of the buildings were linked together by an underground tunnel and all of the utilities were placed underground. In December of 1939 employees began the move from the Hyperion studios to facilities located at 500 South Buena Vista Street. Lapl

Late '30s, construction of Disney Studios, Burbank
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101624.jpg


1940 - Finished product
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013584.jpg








*Weber's clock, chairs and furnishings would have been a nice fit.
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1...iedbuildin.jpg

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