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View Poll Results: Which transbay tower design scheme do you like best?
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2008, 11:39 PM
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This is an opportunity for not only San Francisco, but for the entire left coast. There was a time when San Francisco was at the forefront of its time, where revolution and progression were commonplace. Now it seems that a large chunk (but certainly not all) of the older generation of so called San Franciscans has completely disappeared up its own ass.

This will be a HUGE boon for the city. Increased tourism, a new, more efficient, environmentally friendly transit center, much needed office space, and majorly increased revenue.

What the fuck is wrong with that? There is no place for a NIMBY in San Francisco anymore. As I said before, they belong in SD, Honolulu, or Oklahoma City.
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This is an opportunity for not only San Francisco, but for the entire left coast. There was a time when San Francisco was at the forefront of its time, where revolution and progression were commonplace. Now it seems that a large chunk (but certainly not all) of the older generation of so called San Franciscans has completely disappeared up its own ass.

This will be a HUGE boon for the city. Increased tourism, a new, more efficient, environmentally friendly transit center, much needed office space, and majorly increased revenue.

What the fuck is wrong with that? There is no place for a NIMBY in San Francisco anymore. As I said before, they belong in SD, Honolulu, or Oklahoma City.

The older generation of San Franciscans blocked the construction of a network of freeways. Your vision of the city of the future is so 60's.
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Careful not to confuse current city planning with that of the 60's.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 3:14 AM
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The older generation of San Franciscans blocked the construction of a network of freeways. Your vision of the city of the future is so 60's.
How is wanting an iconic, dense downtown "60"s? You can drill as much Panhandle propaganda into us that you wish; it still doesn't change the fact that the Transbay redevelopment is something that San Francisco needs and deserves.
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How is wanting an iconic, dense downtown "60"s? ...the Transbay redevelopment is something that San Francisco needs and deserves.
yes, we need to put in place the concepts of new urbanism and this does that
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How is wanting an iconic, dense downtown "60"s?
theres that word again. john king would have a fit.

for me, dense is actually the operative word, ill take an icon tho
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theres that word again. john king would have a fit.

for me, dense is actually the operative word, ill take an icon tho
True. But I still think that a new San Francisco landmark would be stellar, as a lot of us do.
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Here is some more old news from August, 2007, but has anyone been keeping up? Tim Redmond wrote an anti-height article in the San Francisco Bay Gardian last August that we already discussed a bit earlier in this thread. Since then, he has been trounced on by several Transbay/Rincon Hill height supporters. There were a number of comments that I found interesting as Redmond tries to defend himself. After 20 posts, only one person is on Redmond's side so far. Rather than beginning to quote things (there a lot), see all of it here first:

http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2..._the_tran.html

Is John King watching?
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Typical SF Preservationist Faux-progressive Douchenozzle

Tim Redmond is a typical "progressive" douche.

Also, something tells me "Frank" is Tim Redmond signed in to the comments as "Frank".
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2008, 7:27 AM
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I read his other article as well, and it seems to be preaching speculative bullshit...what Redmond is supposedly against.

Unfortunately, he seems to be stuck in his own utopian view, where the bigger picture can ever be embraced because he thinks everyone should share his blind, "society-fringing" ego.

Typical SF Hyperliberal fodder.

Sad.
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The mostly negative reaction to Tim Redmond's article is a very good sign. I hope that the city decision makers are aware that there is now a growing segment of the public in support of raising heights for Transbay and Rincon Hill, and that the old NIMBY thinking is finally loosing ground.
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Thumbs up It's about time!

It certainly is about time San Francisco got something taller than the Transamerica Pyramid. I was hoping for something like that the whole time I lived there in the 80s! I sure hope it happens! Anything taller would be fine with me.
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Typical SF Hyperliberal fodder.

Sad.
How is that type of world view 'liberal' in any way? Doesn't it directly contradict the meaning of the word 'liberal'?
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How is that type of world view 'liberal' in any way? Doesn't it directly contradict the meaning of the word 'liberal'?
Basically, what Tim Redmond is saying is that new skyscrapers = a corporate infringement on happy-go-lucky San Francisco.

He paints himself as liberal, but you are correct. It is contradictory in every sense of the word.
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Perhaps I've misunderstood, but 'new skyscrapers = corporate infringement ...' sounds authentically liberal to me.
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DAMN THOSE OVER ZEALOUS LIBERALS!!! lol!
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How is that type of world view 'liberal' in any way? Doesn't it directly contradict the meaning of the word 'liberal'?
I believe the correct term is Limousine Liberal
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Perhaps I've misunderstood, but 'new skyscrapers = corporate infringement ...' sounds authentically liberal to me.
First of all, most of the new skyscrapers going up in recent years have contained badly needed housing and although that housing is expensive, by law in San Francisco the developers must create 15-20% of it as "affordable" units (on site or off site). So opposing skyscraping condos is tantamount to opposing housing which has the effect of maintaining the shortage that makes SF the most expensive city in the continental US to buy a home. Is that "liberal"?

Yes, the TransBay tower, as proposed, will be all office but that is negotiable. The other proposals contained substantial amounts of housing and the one that was chosen could as well although that would probably mean a smaller payment from the developer since office is more lucrative than housing.

The fact is that no one is very upset about corporate occupancy or development of these towers. What bothers the opponents is that they aren't charming and Victorian and so don't fit their mental image of "San Francisco" even though San Francisco has always been a city of commerce, trade and industry.
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DAMN THOSE OVER ZEALOUS LIBERALS!!! lol!
Oh please--everyone needs to stop generalizing. Thank God for liberals, damn the Republicans and keep an eye on the "progressives". If you don't like liberals, move away from here; otherwise, educate yourselves about the benefits we all enjoy that derived from liberalism.
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Oh please--everyone needs to stop generalizing. Thank God for liberals, damn the Republicans and keep an eye on the "progressives". If you don't like liberals, move away from here; otherwise, educate yourselves about the benefits we all enjoy that derived from liberalism.
I have, but only half the time. I don't dislike them enough to let them deprive me totally of the delights of a city that is no more theirs than mine.
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