18-30 King St East | 106.9m | 32 fl | Proposed

[Dr Awesomesauce]

Seems this project is very much focused on parking. Not terribly inspiring, frankly.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Seems this project is very much focused on parking. Not terribly inspiring, frankly.

not much different from acclamation condos frankly.. it's got a central parking lot built inside of it.

[atnor]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Seems this project is very much focused on parking. Not terribly inspiring, frankly.

Well, where do you suggest the owners park? Like it or not, parking is vital to every build and people will still drive cars when LRT is built so they will need somewhere to park.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by atnor

Well, where do you suggest the owners park? Like it or not, parking is vital to every build and people will still drive cars when LRT is built so they will need somewhere to park.

yeah the whole "everyone will walk everywhere so we dont need cars" thing is hogwash.

And making it all underground parking can be expensive when it comes to maintenance due to water damage over time.

[atnor]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

yeah the whole "everyone will walk everywhere so we dont need cars" thing is hogwash.

Not to mention we should be selling off surplus parking lots or encouraging their use for new builds so the argument that they should use available parking lots is nonsense as these lots will no longer exist.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by atnor

Not to mention we should be selling off surplus parking lots or encouraging their use for new builds so the argument that they should use available parking lots is nonsense as these lots will no longer exist.

yeah they have already started to sell off the surplus lots.

See hamilton back in the day used to be a lot different. The sidewalks were wider, and every business had diagonal parking in front of it, and the cars were squatter so they didn't take up as much space.



so you didn't NEED as much parking space - each building had parking spaces in front of it - now that we've changed the way business operates we suddenly had need for giant parking lots everywhere.. however if you put the parking behind the buildings in a parking garage that's camouflaged then that's great!

[atnor]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

yeah they have already started to sell off the surplus lots.

See hamilton back in the day used to be a lot different. The sidewalks were wider, and every business had diagonal parking in front of it, and the cars were squatter so they didn't take up as much space.



so you didn't NEED as much parking space - each building had parking spaces in front of it - now that we've changed the way business operates we suddenly had need for giant parking lots everywhere.. however if you put the parking behind the buildings in a parking garage that's camouflaged then that's great!

Agreed. And we sure as hell don’t want longterm parking on the public ROW.

Again, I don’t know why people turn their nose at sensible concerns regarding parking.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by atnor

Agreed. And we sure as hell don’t want longterm parking on the public ROW.

Again, I don’t know why people turn their nose at sensible concerns regarding parking.

I guess 'cuz they're set in their ways.

[NortheastWind]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

yeah the whole "everyone will walk everywhere so we dont need cars" thing is hogwash.

And making it all underground parking can be expensive when it comes to maintenance due to water damage over time.

When they were building the lower city they forced several creeks underground. One such creek runs right through the area. If you go into the basement at 8 Main St E, which is across the street, there's a room where you can hear the creek running below the building.

So an underground parking structure is likely not possible.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by NortheastWind

When they were building the lower city they forced several creeks underground. One such creek runs right through the area. If you go into the basement at 8 Main St E, which is across the street, there's a room where you can hear the creek running below the building.

So an underground parking structure is likely not possible.

yeah, the creeks they didn't force underground they had to cement over..

I believe there was an issue with the connoly that was related to that problem. Hamilton used to be marshland.. I think they staked it, laid down a bunch of hay and then cemented over the whole thing, kinda like they did with mexico.

[Dr Awesomesauce]

It seems to me that the focus of this project, initially, was parking. They proposed (quite aggressively) the demolition of those Confederation-era buildings for a parking garage that faced the park.

That idiocy seems to have been rectified but the project still doesn't inspire because of the players involved. How many buildings have they razed for parking again?

And I said nothing about parking not being important...

[atnor]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

It seems to me that the focus of this project, initially, was parking. They proposed (quite aggressively) the demolition of those Confederation-era buildings for a parking garage that faced the park.

That idiocy seems to have been rectified but the project still doesn't inspire because of the players involved. How many buildings have they razed for parking again?

And I said nothing about parking not being important...

Your initial comment wasn’t clear at all.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

Hamilton used to be marshland.. I think they staked it, laid down a bunch of hay and then cemented over the whole thing, kinda like they did with mexico.

Only closer to the original shoreline of the bay/harbour, before it was filled in so much throughout the first half+ of the 20th century.

Creeks ran through town from the escarpment to the bay, but the downtown area was originally farmland (Durand, Hughson, and maybe others had farms around there... George Hamilton purchased land from Durand on which the town site was later established). And it was probably forested before the settlers arrived in the late 1700s.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Only closer to the original shoreline of the bay/harbour, before it was filled in so much throughout the first half+ of the 20th century.

Creeks ran through town from the escarpment to the bay, but the downtown area was originally farmland (Durand, Hughson, and maybe others had farms around there... George Hamilton purchased land from Durand on which the town site was later established). And it was probably forested before the settlers arrived in the late 1700s.

and before that the entire area from the lip of the escarpment all round lake ontario was actually lake ontario - I think it was called lake iroquois at that point - it would have entirely covered toronto - there used to be a glacial deposit further up that dammed a lot of the water making it a lot higher, once that broke down the water drained something like 100 or 200 feet, which is why the entire area around lake ontario looks like a giant half filled bathtub.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

and before that the entire area from the lip of the escarpment all round lake ontario was actually lake ontario - I think it was called lake iroquois at that point - it would have entirely covered toronto - there used to be a glacial deposit further up that dammed a lot of the water making it a lot higher, once that broke down the water drained something like 100 or 200 feet, which is why the entire area around lake ontario looks like a giant half filled bathtub.

Partially true -- but it wasn't that deep, and it was created due to ice dams from the retreating ice sheet preventing meltwater and runoff from flowing out. I'm trying to recall university physical geography here, but the surface of Lake Iroquois was about ~100 feet higher than Lake Ontario, and its shoreline was a few km inland of the current one. There is evidence of shorelines and sandbars in Ontario and New York state. A prime example is Burlington Heights, where the High Level Bridge is: a sandbar from Iroquois that carries on southeastward as the rise that skirts downtown Hamilton and goes through Durand... Television City is proposed to be built upon it. This lake existed around 13,000 years ago though, when the ice age was coming to an end.

The escarpment doesn't represent a lakeshore. It's been there for millions of years, and was there before the last glaciation, though that glacial period likely radically altered it through erosion.

[King&James]

Have it on good authority that, much like the DNA, the Giza Neighbuorhood Association, forced early developers to build with stepped setbacks on each side of their boring square slab buildings - essentially forcing what you still see standing today.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Partially true -- but it wasn't that deep, and it was created due to ice dams from the retreating ice sheet preventing meltwater and runoff from flowing out. I'm trying to recall university physical geography here, but the surface of Lake Iroquois was about ~100 feet higher than Lake Ontario, and its shoreline was a few km inland of the current one. There is evidence of shorelines and sandbars in Ontario and New York state. A prime example is Burlington Heights, where the High Level Bridge is: a sandbar from Iroquois that carries on southeastward as the rise that skirts downtown Hamilton and goes through Durand... Television City is proposed to be built upon it. This lake existed around 13,000 years ago though, when the ice age was coming to an end.

The escarpment doesn't represent a lakeshore. It's been there for millions of years, and was there before the last glaciation, though that glacial period likely radically altered it through erosion.

when the glaciers recede the water gushes from under them which forms the carved out areas you see, so as the glaciers retreated back during the ice age they did a great deal of great lake scoopage, probably contributing to the excess water what would have built up and then been kept in by the dammed areas the glaciers still kept intact.

A lot of detonation has been also done along the escarpment to carve out the highways so we don't really see them as they would have naturally been when the city was founded either.. hence all the random jut outs of layers of strata.

[Katrillion]

What is up with this project? All winter I had the displeasure of watching these building lay derelict.

This has already been approved, no? Apologies for bumping but who knows what's the latest with this?

[NortheastWind]

Originally Posted by Katrillion

What is up with this project? All winter I had the displeasure of watching these building lay derelict.

This has already been approved, no? Apologies for bumping but who knows what's the latest with this?

Behind the scenes work takes time.

[NortheastWind]

Anything new on this project?