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View Poll Results: Next city to build 85-100 story building?
Houston 17 23.29%
Dallas 8 10.96%
Atlanta 13 17.81%
Austin 30 41.10%
Nashville 3 4.11%
Charlotte 2 2.74%
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Next southern city to build a tower in the 85-100 story range

Leaving Miami out since they've already accomplished this feat; what southern city will be next to do this? Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Austin or Nashville?
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Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).
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Austin, if they can get the FAA clearance. They're booming, and the demand stems from big tech. Google, Indeed, whos next, Amazon? Facebook?
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Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).
Thanks for the clarification. I thought Miami had a building 85 stories but I stand corrected.
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Panorama Tower in Miami is tall for nothing. Really ugly building. It’s too bad it’s the city’s tallest. Never realized it had that high of a floor count though, since it’s only around 830’ or so to the roof.
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Jacksonville. Then it will really outclass Toronto.
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Austin, if they can get the FAA clearance. They're booming, and the demand stems from big tech. Google, Indeed, whos next, Amazon? Facebook?
Austin's boom is mostly residential though and doubt they're anywhere close to getting to these heights.
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Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).
Wikipedia's lists Panorama at 85 stories but I have seen 82 or 81 usually listed for it.
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^ the SSP and CTBUH databases both say 81 floors.

That's good enough for me.

No database is perfect, but Wikipedia would be one of the very last databases I would trust when it comes to skyscraper stats.
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I voted for Atlanta but I doubt any of them get it any time soon. Atlanta at least has heavy rail and could support a denser core.
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Austin's boom is mostly residential though and doubt they're anywhere close to getting to these heights.
847ft isn't far off with 6 X Guadalupe. Or Fourth & Brezos at 823ft. A mixed use tower might make it, and I've heard rumors that a potential development at railyard is promising?

https://austin.towers.net/two-towers...skyline-twice/

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My money would probably be on Austin too. There are TONS of tower cranes on the Nashville skyline, but our buildings tend to be within the 300-600 range.
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It will have to be a tier 2 metro: Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami. Very hard to see it happening in Austin or Nashville. Also, Charlotte should be an option, since it s probably far more likely to build a super-tall than Nashville. I chose Dallas, but I think that Houston is just as likely.
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It will have to be a tier 2 metro: Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami. Very hard to see it happening in Austin or Nashville. Also, Charlotte should be an option, since it s probably far more likely to build a super-tall than Nashville. I chose Dallas, but I think that Houston is just as likely.
With as flashy as Dallas is I am surprised their skyline is still pretty much the same as it was in the 90’s. I know uptown has seen a ton of growth but it has mostly been midrise. Dallas needs a new super tall, and will probably get one before these other Southern cities
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Jacksonville. Then it will really outclass Toronto.
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Houston, during the next oil boom.

I'll be shocked if Atlanta does it.

I gotta hand it to Texas for getting three nominations, all plausible. It really is a powerhouse of economic activity.
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I voted Houston, just because it's extant towers are both the tallest and the most recent. Dallas and Atlanta haven't seen much high-rise growth at the top end of height in recent years (Houston is also dominated by 80s towers, but at least has a couple from recent years and one U/C).

Though, I understand its growth is a bit sluggish at the moment - so it likely won't happen until the next boom cycle. Austin and Nashville are growing like gangbusters right now, but conditions there are likely still a long way of from making an 85+ storey tower viable. They lack the corporate base for an office tower of that height; and lack the high land values for a residential tower.
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I'm betting no southern city will build that tall in the next ten years, if ever.
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I'm betting no southern city will build that tall in the next ten years, if ever.
The few US cities building towers 85-100 stories these days have been building all residential. That counts even the NYC and Chicago, where offices seems to top out at 60-65 floors even if they are over 1000 ft. Therefore, I would guess that Austin has the best chance since it is building many tall residential towers downtown. I don't currently see a market for a 85 story residential tower in the other southern cities besides Miami.
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847ft isn't far off with 6 X Guadalupe. Or Fourth & Brezos at 823ft. A mixed use tower might make it, and I've heard rumors that a potential development at railyard is promising?

https://austin.towers.net/two-towers...skyline-twice/

But 85 stories? I just don't see it anytime soon. Austin is cranking out a lot of buildings but they're just now building a 65 floor building (6X) with most proposals in that ballpark.
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