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Old Posted Mar 16, 2011, 8:41 PM
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Hermitage's site in english might take a minute to load up on your computer. All known renders of their twins including interior ones can be seen there. Also a brief description of their contents in the mixed-use section.

Construction is officially planned to start in october although some are skeptical over here for now because of a confusing rumor saying russian company Mirax Group whose Hermitage is the french subsidiary would be struggling with some serious financial issues. Still Hermitage keeps on promoting their twins as if everything was fine, having already invested €150 million (over $200 million) in them.

This project alone represents a €2+ billion investment and 3,000 created jobs; it is by far the biggest real estate project seriously planned in France since long long ages.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2011, 9:50 PM
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I LOVE IT!!!!! crossin fingers and even prayin it gets built...however I do wish someone would resurrect La Tour Sans Fins.
     
     
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Here is an article translated with Google Translate (the original one is in French).


COUP DE THEATRE IN THE HERMITAGE PLAZA CASE

Will La Defence host one day the two towers of Hermitage Plaza? With the recent twists and turns of this case, it's difficult to say so far. For the developer, the schedule remains unchanged: the launch of the project is still scheduled for the end of the year.

In early September, the Paris Court dismissing the association "Living in La Defense" of his application for the cancellation of the sale of buildings of Les Damiers, where the Hermitage Plaza project would be built. The reason given by the court was that the association was not entitled to challenge such a sale. The action is therefore inadmissible and construction of the "twin towers" at the entrance to the business district of La Defense would be able to go on. The Hermitage Group does not want to stop there. It asks the courts for damages to the association for the delay. Estimated cost of the delay depending on the promoter: eight million euros.

Mid-October, coup de theatre: this time it's the TGI of Nanterre which validates the other referred to a condominium residents. The ASL-Damiers Courbevoie is concerned about the rising costs of operation of public facilities to the neighboring buildings would result from the demolition of Damiers. Indeed, fewer tenants (250 homes to Damiers) would mean higher charges for those who remain. The court then pronounced the ban on demolitions and an ultimatum. The project can only start when the sponsor will have the agreement of all owners. A fine of 500,000 euros per infringement is even set to discourage recourse to force. To be continued ...

Laurent Perrin


COUP DE THÉÂTRE DANS L’AFFAIRE HERMITAGE PLAZA

La Défense accueillera-t-elle un jour les deux tours Hermitage Plaza ? Avec les récents rebondissements de cette affaire, difficile de se prononcer à ce jour. Pour le promoteur, le planning reste inchangé : le lancement des travaux est toujours prévu pour la fin d’année.

Début septembre, le TGI de Paris déboutait l’association « Vivre à La Défense » de sa demande d’annulation de la vente des immeubles des Damiers, à la place desquels doit s’élever le projet Hermitage Plaza. Motif invoqué par le tribunal : l’association n’était pas habilitée à contester une telle vente. Le recours est donc jugé irrecevable et la construction des « tours jumelles », à l’entrée du quartier d’affaire de La Défense, allait pouvoir se faire. Le Groupe Hermitage ne souhaite pas en rester là. Il demande en justice des dommages et intérêts à l’association pour le retard accumulé. Coût estimé de ce retard selon le promoteur : huit millions d’euros.

Mi-octobre, coup de théâtre : cette fois c’est le TGI de Nanterre qui valide le référé d’une autre association de copropriétaires riverains. L’ASL Les Damiers-Courbevoie s’inquiète de la hausse des coûts de fonctionnement des équipements collectifs pour les immeubles voisins qu’entraînerait la démolition des Damiers. En effet, moins de locataires (250 logements aux Damiers) signifierait hausse des charges pour ceux qui restent. Le tribunal prononce donc l’interdiction de démolitions et pose un ultimatum. Le projet ne pourra démarrer que lorsque le promoteur aura l'accord de tous les copropriétaires. Une amende de 500.000 euros par infraction constatée est même fixée pour décourager tout passage en force. A suivre…

Laurent Perrin

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Old Posted Nov 19, 2011, 10:27 AM
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Unfortunately this project will most likely not be built due to lack of demand and an overall disdain from residents in both Neuilly sur Seine, and Puteaux. The Hauts de Seine overall call for towers to be well set back from the river.
     
     
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This will cement La Defense as the best skyline in Europe!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2011, 8:33 PM
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We've got the results of the public inquiry (in French) which issued a favorable opinion as expected.
There are still some appeals against the project, in particular from a few people refusing to leave the buildings to be demolished although developer Hermitage purchased and own them.
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Most people already left for larger decent apartments. Those buildings are abandoned and the few stubborn ones staying in there are pretty suspected to be trying blackmailing Hermitage (to get some money). They will undoubtedly have to leave though. We're waiting for a significant decision taken tomorrow about that case.

Now the public inquiry issue gave those few details about what's going to be built.

Hermitage Plaza South Tower: hotel, apartments and related services.

Hermitage Plaza East Tower: offices, apartments and related services.

Hermitage Plaza West Buildings that include:
  • a 7-story building including 2 retail and 5 office floors.
  • a 9-story building including 2 retail and 7 student housing floors (great for lil' students ).
  • a 4-story building including 2 retail and 2 office floors.
  • a 3-story building including 2 retail and an art gallery floors.

There will be a concert hall and a night club somewhere in there.
The project connects at long last la Défense's tremendous slab to what surrounds it, Courbevoie's streets and the bridge crossing the Seine river to Neuilly-sur-Seine. That's an awesome improvement to those used to la Défense's badly unfriendly pedestrian accesses.
The towers will be 307 m (1007') tall from the slab to their rooves which are also their pinnacles. They would be some 320 m tall from the actual street level.
Well, in short that is something up to the city at last, developed by a Russian guy partly raised in Paris, fluent in French.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2011, 12:45 PM
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[...] the few stubborn ones staying in there are pretty suspected to be trying blackmailing Hermitage (to get some money). They will undoubtedly have to leave though. We're waiting for a significant decision taken tomorrow about that case. [...]
Failed, nothing happened. The judge can't make any decision for now because the stubborn tenants instituted another procedure which must be clarified first by the Paris court. It seems that their tactics are playing for time. What for? No idea, ask them. No one can understand their behavior but themselves and the far left wing bitter people who hate the project because "it's a luxury whorehouse for the bloody rich who despise the people" and so on, that kind of stuff. There are thousands of jobs at stake in that beautiful project and it's being blocked by a few tenants having refused any better apartment suggested to them so far, that's all I know. Now we hope their case to be judged by next March.
     
     
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Failed, nothing happened. The judge can't make any decision for now because the stubborn tenants instituted another procedure which must be clarified first by the Paris court. It seems that their tactics are playing for time. What for? No idea, ask them. No one can understand their behavior but themselves and the far left wing bitter people who hate the project because "it's a luxury whorehouse for the bloody rich who despise the people" and so on, that kind of stuff. There are thousands of jobs at stake in that beautiful project and it's being blocked by a few tenants having refused any better apartment suggested to them so far, that's all I know. Now we hope their case to be judged by next March.
Next MARCH?! This is getting ridiculous.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2011, 12:48 PM
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Support petition

Please world people, show some support to poor struggling Paris. Sign the petition in favor of Hermitage's project, I know how heartwarming it would be to many good people over here, coming from you guys.
Beware! the creepy haters of the dark side of the force are harshly opposing the project but we shall overcome!

Now seriously, see the fields at the bottom of the petition page, these are their meanings.

Prénom: your first name.

Nom de famille: your last name.

Ville: your hometown.

Pays: your country.
That drop list is filled in French, I'm translating a few countries' names which may not seem obvious.
Austria -> Autriche
Germany -> Allemagne
Hungary -> Hongrie
Netherlands -> Pays-Bas
New Zealand -> Nouvelle Zélande
South Korea -> Corée du Sud
Spain -> Espagne
Switzerland -> Suisse
United Kingdom -> Royaume Uni
United States -> États-Unis (at the bottom of the list because of the character É which developers of that site didn't want to manage properly).
That's enough, isn't it? Most countries' names are very similar in French and in English. For example if you're in Mexico or in Brazil, then simply choose Mexique or Brésil.

Adresse e-mail: any e-mail address you don't care too much about.

Montrer votre signature à tous ? Oui/Non: show anyone you've signed? yes/no.
You may choose the check button saying no, it doesn't matter at all. That's what I did myself because a few French forumers I wouldn't trust know my hometown.

Thank you for filling in those fields and then pushing the Signer cette pétition button. Do not do it twice or more like some did in France lol, it would ruin the credibility of this thing which already seems unsignificant. Still someone claiming to be Hermitage's CEO himself left a comment in there and it is actually believed that it was really him, so I guess it could be sort of a little helpful somehow.
     
     
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Signed the petition (http://www.petitions24.net/forum/22192) and posted a link to my FB page also...I really hope these get built
     
     
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Twin Towers are always more intriguing than a single tower. Theres something more poetic about the Twin Towers NY, the Petronas Towers and this example. Im for it !



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Twin towers..Mneh, its been done before.

I don't know what it is about twin towers, but i'll always think of New York City.

Come up with something different.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2012, 7:41 PM
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^ Thanks for the support, guys

You know what? These Hermitage twins designed Norman Foster (regarded a brilliant architect in France as anywhere, we owe him the Millau Viaduct, the world's tallest bridge) actually stand for the vertical bars of the letter H (initial of Hermitage). You see that Hermitage is acting like Donald Trump for this project, a little megalomaniac so to speak, their name will be all over it (tee-hee). Never mind, let them do the way they like it, it's just fine. Mr Trump may be kinda megalomaniac, he's still a big developer which is deserving of respect.

Now here is the latest rumor...
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01-10-2012, Jennifer Declémy

Hermitage towers: work will be held

Despite appeals and petitions, construction of the towers will start from March indeed.

It will have been a project hard to manage, delayed for months, facing some appeals and petitions to oppose it but work on the towers that would sit in the la Défense district is going to begin this year.

Work should have actually begun in September of 2011 but it has been delayed for 6 to 8 months because of the litigation with some tenants (of apartments of the Damiers residential buildings to be demolished) wanting to keep their homes and complaining about the rehousing offers made to them (they wanna keep their terraces with nice view on central Paris).

Two internet petitions have even been launched in December, one opposing the project that got 142 supports so far, the other one supporting it on the contrary, having gained 280 signatures. Hermitage's CEO who says he did not initiate the pro-petition affirms nevertheless that 190 families out of the 250 affected had been "relocated in better homes" (without terraces with view on the historic center, though).

For now and despite difficulties, Hermitage's CEO assures that work will begin as soon as the winter truce ends (when owners in troubles with tenants are allowed to put them out again, in spring and summer only in the French law) and should normally be done in 2017 at an estimated cost of €2.1 billion.
French original article

Indeed, Hermitage's CEO has nothing to do with the pro-petition since it's been initiated by a French member of SSC who probably has no particular interest in Hermitage. By the way you can still sign it like I said in post #31 of this thread, only if you didn't yet. Many thanks again to those who did, you guys are cool. Although both petitions got only few signatures so far, they're being kind of useful in that they make people talk about the project a little more. You know how growling opponents are usually noisier than smiling supporters, right? well that won't have been this time cause supporters made some noise too.

Note well that in fact, the work that should begin as of march is the demolition of the Damiers buildings only. Of course construction proper would begin later. However, hope to see this built seems reasonable now.
     
     
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Note well that in fact, the work that should begin as of march is the demolition of the Damiers buildings only. Of course construction proper would begin later. However, hope to see this built seems reasonable now.
Great! The sooner this shit will be torn down, the bigger will be the probability of seeing this project built!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 6:20 PM
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The building permit was granted today and one of the Damier buildings is now totally empty. Hermitage announced they would start the scraping as of March 15.
So they just won a significant battle, they might even well be winning the war but it will probably take long yet. There are still some appeals against the demolition permit and the opponents will surely lodge more appeals against the building permit, too. Since courts are usually slow over here, we'd better remain patient.
However, the project seems quite on tracks, now. Hermitage claims it would be completed for the second half of 2017, which sounds optimistic but that's how they need to be to achieve such a thing over here, let's say confident.

Source of the info in French
     
     
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Hermitage Plaza granted Permis de Construire

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March 7, 2012

Hermitage Plaza will create a new community to the east of La Défense, in Courbevoie, that extends down to the river Seine with cafés, shops and a public plaza at its heart. The project incorporates two 320-metre-high buildings – the tallest mixed-use towers in Western Europe – which will establish a distinctive symbol for this new urban destination on the Paris skyline.

The result of a close collaboration with the planning authorities: EPAD, the City of Courbevoie, Atelier de Paysage Urbain and Département de Hauts-de-Seine, the project is intended to inject life into the area east of La Défense by creating a sustainable, high-density community. The two towers accommodate a hotel, spa, panoramic apartments, offices and serviced apartments, as well as shops at the base.

The buildings face one another at ground level. Open and permeable to encourage people to walk through the site, the towers enclose a public piazza which establishes the social focus. As they rise from an interlocking diamond-shaped plan, the towers turn outward to address views across Paris. The angle of the façade panels promotes self-shading and vents can be opened to draw fresh air inside, contributing to an environmental strategy that targets a BREEAM ‘excellent’ rating. The highly efficient diagrid structure uses less steel and emphasises the elegant proportions of the towers.

A crystal-shaped podium building contains office space, with two detached satellite buildings housing a gallery and auditorium that further extend the public realm. The piazza – created by burying the existing busy road beneath a landscaped deck – slopes gently downward to the water’s edge, which is lined with new cafés and restaurants. Connected to the existing Courbevoie and EPAD masterplans, the project will reinforce the regeneration of the riverfront.

Grant Brooker, a senior partner at Foster + Partners:
“Our ambition was to create a project that would inject new life into La Défense by bringing a new type of occupation and creating a new public focus on the edge of the Seine. This announcement represents a very important stage in the project’s development and is thanks to the passion of our client, Emin Iskenderov, and the support we have had from EPAD, the City of Courbevoie and the Département de Hauts-de-Seine – we could not have reached this milestone without them.”
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Two super-talls for Paris !! Wow!
     
     
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Brief recap of Hermitage's funding arrangements and grasp of the local real-estate current market.

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Wall Street Journal
March 9, 2012

Europe's Tallest Towers Set to Rise

The €2 billion ($2.66 billion) Hermitage Plaza Towers to be built in Paris's La Défense business district have received planning permission and work on the site will start imminently, Emin Iskenderov, chief executive of development company Hermitage Group, said Friday.

[...]

The project will cost a total of €2 billion, with €700 million in bank debt arranged with four banks at a cost of 6.5%, and €300 million of equity coming from Hermitage Group itself. The remaining €1 billion will be financed through sales of apartments and offices.

"We plan to sell the apartments and offices but we will keep [the ownership of the] retail and the hotel," Mr. Iskenderov said, adding that he has already received interest from 4,000 parties to buy the 543 luxury, serviced apartments.

Hermitage Plaza, designed by U.K.-based architects Foster and Partners, will provide 280,000 square meters of mixed-use space, housing a five-star hotel, 543 apartments, 35,000 square meters (376,737 square feet) of offices and 50,000 square meters of retail and restaurants.

"We are in negotiations with various hotel operators and will announce the final operator in May," Mr. Iskenderov said.

The Paris real-estate market, which was hit by the financial crisis in 2008, still hasn't recovered completely, and overall property prices remain below their 2007 peak.

But Mr. Iskenderov is confident he can raise the €1 billion portion needed through sales of apartments and offices as Hermitage Plaza will be La Défense's first building to offer mixed-use space.

"Prices of luxury apartments in Paris between 2008 and today have gone up 40%," he said, adding that he has also had several offers for the 230-room hotel.

Hermitage Group will start selling the apartments in a year's time and expects a minimum price of €12,000 per square meter. "We need €12,000 per square meter to make the project work, but average prices of luxury apartments in Paris are between €10,000 and €35,000 per square meter, so maybe the prices will go up," Mr. Iskenderov said.

He is also in negotiations to sell the 35,000 square meters of office space to a single buyer and expects to finalize a deal before summer.

[...]
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2012, 4:51 PM
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Something like a demolition atmosphere taking over the Damier buildings...




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Cheer them - tear down that seedy thing, guys!

That was a couple of days ago. Of course, there's still a legal war atmosphere too on the site, as a few tens of stubborn tenants seem ready to fight to death. Hope they won't let themselves get buried alive in the rubble though, they would awfully spoil the party.
What people wouldn't do for a view on central Paris...
     
     
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