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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 7:42 AM
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I often see them loaded with riffraff for building piers or erosion control
I believe the word is riprap.
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 1:26 PM
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Something may be going on at VDT's Staybridge (fingers crossed) - noticed lights on Friday pm, & lower portion of tarp off.
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 2:23 PM
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No, there are a few commercial barges used on Lake Michigan, its just they are never used for long hauls because they need to be able to scurry back to shore in case a squall is coming.
In other words, not used on the open lake.

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That's an awfully judgmental thing to say—on Labor Day—about well-paid union workers . . .
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 4:14 PM
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^^^ No, they most definitely are used way out there sometimes, but I have no idea what they are doing. I can see them several miles out maybe once a month or so. Its clearly one or two large barges being pushed by a tug when I look at them through by binoculars. The ones I see the most though are the ones carrying construction materials within a mile of shore.

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I believe the word is riprap.
Haha, yes, that is the word I meant to use. Spell check in Chrome apparently doesn't recognize riprap and changed it to riffraff when I typed it...
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2009, 4:36 PM
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as an avid river kayaker and resident of marina city, i can confirm that all branches of the chicago river still see barge traffic, though it is rather rare on the main branch. most barges that i've encountered while paddling also seem to go through downtown in the evening hours. i don't know if that's by design to avoid the busiest times of the tourist boats or if it's just coincidence, but it's a pattern i've noticed.

i've also seen that big blue barge that cbotnyse posted. it's cool seeing a barge that big navigate through the bends at wabash.




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As barges aren't used on the open lake,
that's incorrect, there are a number of barges that are used out on the open water of the great lakes' shipping lanes. they are operated as an integrated tug and barge system where the barge actually has a notch in the back end to accommodate the hull of the tug (as seen in the picture cbotnyse posted). from a distance they can resemble a conventional lake freighter, but they are in fact tug and barge set-ups. what you won't see out on the open water of the great lakes are rafted barge set-ups like you see on the mississippi river, where a number of smaller barges are rafted together and pushed by a single tug.

for reference, here's an image of one of the typical great lakes integrated tug & barges (ITB) that routinely ply the open waters of the great lakes.


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Old Posted Sep 8, 2009, 6:31 PM
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^^^ Yeah, those are the guys I see way out there every so often. I thought they were just freighters at first, but then one came in close enough for me to get a good look at it with my binoculars and I could see it was far too low in the water and that the tug part was clearly not fully integrated structurally with barge part.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2009, 2:03 AM
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FWIW, barges are pushed by towboats, not tugboats.
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There is a drill rig on site at the corner of Sheridan and Foster in the Dominicks Parking lot. Hopefully this means they are doing site testing for that wonderful new Dominicks they are going to build. The sooner they build that the better, it should make a world of difference for that corner.

Also, rumor has it that both the southeast and southwest corners of that interesection are slated for some kind of redevelopment. I don't have any details on it, but I hear that the McDonalds and the dilapidated 4+1 are going to go and be replaced by some midrises.
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FWIW, barges are pushed by towboats, not tugboats.
well, i'm no expert on maritime terminology in general, but that little rule does not apply to shipping on the great lakes. the ITBs that ply the waters of the great lakes are pushed by tugs. ITB stands for Integrated Tug & Barge, not Integrated Tow & Barge. i really don't know if there is any substantive difference between a tugboat and a towboat, but on the lakes, the term "tug" is used across the board.


EDIT: doing a little research, it turns out that towboats are a specific type of tugboat. they are flat-fronted, flat-hulled tugs used for pushing barges on rivers and other types of protected inland waters. they are generally not suitable for open water use do to their hull shape.
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This doesn't look promising

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The man who bought old Post Office

September 9, 2009

DAVID ROEDER droeder@suntimes.com
The mysterious buyer of the Old Chicago Main Post Office, 433 W. Van Buren, is Bill Davies, a globe-trotting investor who apparently has left a trail of broken promises in his former hometown of Liverpool, England.
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According to the Liverpool Daily Post, Davies has tried unsuccessfully to launch several projects in that city. His plan for a shopping complex in a central part of Liverpool called Chavasse Park dragged on for years until the local council pulled his legal right to the property. Davies charged that the action cost him about $160 million in lost profits. He ended up settling with the council in 2008 for what the Daily Post said was a payout worth about $3 million.
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Well lets give the man a chance before we assume he will fail. Many a great person failed time and time again before success, remember that.
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Well lets give the man a chance before we assume he will fail. Many a great person failed time and time again before success, remember that.
Tell that to the bank where he's gonna ask for construction financing.
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Try it. Even if you don't get picked, it's still pretty cool!

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To whom it may concern (and I'm guessing probably not too many), the development u/c on the NE corner of Devon & Rockwell is indeed actively going up.

Unfortunately, from a business nearby I found out that the residential portion has been lopped off. Thus, it will simply be a parking garage with lower level shops.
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I was passing by a patient room today and for some reason a Chicago Tribune caught my eye. On the front page was a huge plan for extending Chicago's lakeshore bike paths to the south and to the north. The patient offered me the paper but I declined saying I'll just look it up online when I get home. I'm now home and can't for the life of me find the article or anything of this. Does anyone have access to today's Tribune or have access to this article online? I've searched everywhere and don't feel like going to the store to grab an actual paper. It looked like really big and very real plans to extend the lakeshore bike paths and I would very much appreciate someone sharing as I'm sure others would be interested in this.

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To whom it may concern (and I'm guessing probably not too many), the development u/c on the NE corner of Devon & Rockwell is indeed actively going up.

Unfortunately, from a business nearby I found out that the residential portion has been lopped off. Thus, it will simply be a parking garage with lower level shops.
It's still an upgrade as long as the lower floor is primarily devoted to retail. Given how far the Devon district is from the L, it will have a high rate of auto use by default, so best that such use is accommodated in dense urban structures like garages rather than crappy street-killing surface lots.
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Mini update: 1st-floor columns have now been put up for the Clybourn Apple Store.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 5:28 AM
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I was passing by a patient room today and for some reason a Chicago Tribune caught my eye. On the front page was a huge plan for extending Chicago's lakeshore bike paths to the south and to the north. The patient offered me the paper but I declined saying I'll just look it up online when I get home. I'm now home and can't for the life of me find the article or anything of this. Does anyone have access to today's Tribune or have access to this article online? I've searched everywhere and don't feel like going to the store to grab an actual paper. It looked like really big and very real plans to extend the lakeshore bike paths and I would very much appreciate someone sharing as I'm sure others would be interested in this.
There are several related articles... here's one:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,3246023.story

The other articles have links on that page.
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There are several related articles... here's one:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,3246023.story

The other articles have links on that page.
Yeah I saw that, but that wasn't the article that I saw on the front page of the Tribune yesterday. The article I saw had a large diagram showing planned extensions to the south and to the north.
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New harbors near pier, 31st St. set to get lots of bells, whistles

$110 MIL. PROJECT | Restaurants, trams, remote parking, shuttle proposed
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September 11, 2009

BY FRAN SPIELMAN AND LISA DONOVAN Staff Reporters

Chicago is getting a sneak peak at two new lakefront harbors that will create more than 1,100 new slips and absorb boaters displaced from Monroe Harbor if Chicago wins the 2016 Olympic sweepstakes.

The 240-slip Gateway Harbor south of Navy Pier includes plans for a new Navy Pier park "to be developed by others," a "transit circulator" serving multiple stations and "on-pier trams" operating in "designated tram lanes," according to a zoning application filed at this week's City Council meeting.

The north dock would be at Navy Pier's Festival Hall; the south dock at the Family Pavilion. New restaurants, kiosks and harbor facilities would be provided in two new buildings on the east and west sides of the new harbor.

Remote parking and shuttle buses would divert traffic away from already congested Navy Pier.

The new 31st Street marina with space for 840 boats would include a new restaurant, lakefront community center and parking for 300 cars. The sleek new building designed by Brook Architecture includes a translucent glass curtain wall.
The two new harbors are the first to be built by the Chicago Park District in nearly a decade -- since Du Sable Harbor opened with 420 slips.

The $110 million project will be financed by a revenue bond retired by 20 years of boat mooring fees................
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