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Old Posted Jul 3, 2020, 7:44 AM
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recently drove by this house in Stoney Creek and noticed they had a windmill palm out front. Streetview seems to indicate that it's been there since at least 2007. I wonder if it's protected in the winter, I'll have to drive by next winter and see.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2090...7i13312!8i6656

I really wonder if it's possible for hardy windmill palms to survive in the Niagara / Windsor areas. They most likely could have survived this past winter completely unprotected.
They could last for a few years if the winters are mild enough, but all it takes is a single cold snap of temperatures below -10 for a couple of days in a row, and that'll be it. Mature windmill palms are more hardy, but it takes a good ten years before they can handle temperatures below -10, and even then, they can't handle those temperatures for too long.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2020, 5:34 AM
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reboot time!

recently drove by this house in Stoney Creek and noticed they had a windmill palm out front. Streetview seems to indicate that it's been there since at least 2007. I wonder if it's protected in the winter, I'll have to drive by next winter and see.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2090...7i13312!8i6656

I really wonder if it's possible for hardy windmill palms to survive in the Niagara / Windsor areas. They most likely could have survived this past winter completely unprotected.
Where is the ultimate warmest section of the microclimate along the southern shore of Lake Ontario? I have wondered if windmill palms and other plants could survive winters there. Specifically, I have wondered if anyone has tried to get a crape myrtle to survive in a place like Niagara-On-The-Lake. I have seen crape myrtle as far north as King Of Prussia, PA, and Woodbury, NJ. I'm sure it's a little farther north than that. Crape myrtle can be found just about everywhere as a decorative plant here in Delaware, and is even more extensive when you get into Virginia. All of these areas are humid subtropical climates, but I wonder if the microclimate on the southern side of Lake Ontario functions as a humid subtropical climate. I have seen tons of canna plants used for decoration and color and patterns in Victoria Park in Niagara Falls. Those can grow here in Delaware, provided they are planted 4 inches under the surface. So to me, that is evidence of a humid subtropical subclimate (see below).

Not to take away from Canada as the subject, but I planted a windmill palm tree at my house. To provide optimal conditions, I have it in the front yard, about 6-7 feet away from the house. My house is made of brick and stone (so may reflect heat) and faces south. The palm tree survived this past winter with no problem at all and no protection, but then again, we had our lowest snowfall total ever, with only 0.9 inches (2.3 cm) for the entire season. Windmill palms are the only palm trees hardy enough for Delaware, pr so I'm told by the owner of the store I got my palm tree from. I also have a banana palm that should survive the winter, but the first one I got rotted out. I don't know if that was from a mistake that I made, though, or because the plant couldn't take it. Other banana palms around here die and come back to life in May. I have a few mango canna plants, like what I saw in Niagara Falls, and those survived the winter here.
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