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[Nexis4Jersey]

Originally Posted by CIA

Do you have a link to NJ Transit or transit advocate's call for the 7 line to be extended to Hoboken Terminal? I have honestly never heard of it outside this forum and would like to read the basis for the rationale.

All engineering firms doing this type of work inflate ridership projections, but I can't see Hoboken commanding a higher ridership number than Secaucus.

I'll look , there were a few...some even called for a New West Side Station separate from Amtrak. All lines that feed Secaucus , go to Hoboken except the NEC... Redirecting the buses might get you some extra passengers , however replacing those lines with Rail and feeding that into Hob would get you more passengers... Most Bus lines in Suburban Jersey are due to be replaced with Rail feeding into Hoboken via Secaucus or Newark. Even though Hoboken is maxed out development wise the Jersey City and Weehawken sections aren't and can be upzoned. Secaucus is used by around 25,000 a day , Hoboken gets around 60,000 a day. Secaucus is a through station , where as Hoboken is a Terminus with a lot of space. Its like Grand Central or Atlantic Terminal , both terminals have massive amounts of train space and could easily handle double amount of passengers. Jamaica , Secaucus . Newark Penn , New York are through stations and have capacity issues. Even though New York is a terminus for many trains , most have to go to Queens to be turned around due to be on the main tracks. Secaucus NEC wise can't expand without the tunnels , turning trains would create a huge backlog. So while Secaucus sounds like a good idea on paper , it ends up straining the system even more. And with most major bus lines set to be replaced it cancels out the idea of relieving the terminal. Aside from Hoboken Terminal , I would add a Station near the Weehawken border and upzone that area...which is already happening...

Hoboken Terminal 7 Train
-Rapid Expansion of the Regional Rail system without the need of New tunnels
-Relief of the overcrowded Hoboken Bus System
-Relief for the Journal-33rd Street PATH line
-Less Bus congestion due to the Rapid Regional Rail expansion
-Increased demand for Hoboken service leads to a transit wide service boost
-Hoboken Terminal has 18 tracks with 9 platforms
-Would allow for massive redevelopment on the Newport side without affecting the PATH

[chris08876]

^^^

I agree. This will be good for accommodating the growing JC population. Soon to pass 300k if all goes well. Even though Hoboken tends to be anti highrise, its bound to spill over into it eventually. Maybe the next mayor will be pro-development. The current mayor seems to be against expanded growth.

[C.]

BREAKING NEWS!

PATH might be privatized along with the elimination of 24 hour service. We might need that 7 line extension into New Jersey if this goes through. Overnight service is always jammed packed and over capacity. On more than one occasion I've had to wait for a second train due to over crowding, or ride it up to 33rd to have it turn around back to NJ.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...l#incart_river

[chris08876]

Thats terrible if the 24h service goes down. I hope this doesn't become a reality.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by CIA

BREAKING NEWS!

PATH might be privatized along with the elimination of 24 hour service. We might need that 7 line extension into New Jersey if this goes through. Overnight service is always jammed packed and over capacity. On more than one occasion I've had to wait for a second train due to over crowding, or ride it up to 33rd to have it turn around back to NJ.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...l#incart_river

They've talked about privatizing PATH before, or even turning it over to NJ Transit. But reducing service is never a good option.

Anyway, keep the discussion to the topic of the redevelopment of the railyard itself.

[C.]

http://www.hobokenterminalandrailyard.com/

[Crawford]

Can they build this thing already? They've been talking about developing the railyard for 15 years now. Are the Jersey NIMBYs as bad as the NYC NIMBYs?

[aquablue]

I hate empty industrial wastelands and derilect rail yards. Just build it, waste of prime space right across the river from NY effin City! As long as it doesn't interfere with the historic areas it should be fine. It doesn't appear to be right on top of them either.

[chris08876]

Architectural Team Announced for Hoboken Yard Redevelopment

A plan to revitalize the neighborhood surrounding one of New Jersey’s largest transit hubs is hoping a new group of partners will help bring the project closer to reality.

New York-based LCOR, the master redeveloper of the Hoboken Yard Redevelopment Plan, recently revealed the team that will be working on the long-stalled project. The most recent scheme for the area was approved early last year and allows a maximum of 1.3 million square feet of development over three properties just north of NJ Transit’s rail tracks.

The endeavor is now being dubbed Hoboken Connect and is slated to be a large collaboration. Beyer Blinder Belle, Cetra Ruddy, FX Collaborative, and Matthews Nielsen Landscape Architects will be serving as the project’s architects, with additional engineering work courtesy of Colliers Engineering, ICOR Associated, MG Engineering, Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers, Thorton Thomasetti, Holt Construction, and AECOM Tishman.

“Hoboken Connect represents a transformative economic development opportunity for the City of Hoboken, NJ TRANSIT, and the State of New Jersey,” said Brian Barry, senior vice president of LCOR. “We thank Governor Murphy, Mayor Bhalla and our partner NJ TRANSIT for their leadership in stewarding a path forward that preserves this incredible opportunity to realize smart planning, resiliency, historic preservation, investment in NJ TRANSIT and City infrastructure.”

A major component of the plan includes the long-envisioned renovation of Hoboken Terminal and neighboring Warrington Plaza. That component could include amenities like an outdoor market space plus a revitalization of the second floor of the structure, which has been closed to the public for many years.

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https://jerseydigs.com/architectural...redevelopment/

[C.]

Kinda of a shitty scaling down from the original plan. What happened?



From here: http://www.hobokennj.org/docs/commun...esentation.pdf

[C.]

This plan is so shitty now compared to the original efforts. Hoboken politicians can teach a masterclass in NIMBYism. Observer Highway could have been a great new district with a dozen buildings with retail at grade along a pedestrian-oriented street, but instead we're getting two buildings and a long ass wall. I kind of hope the Rebuild by Design wall comes in way over budget and they can't finish it. That way private developers will gladly pay for the storm wall upgrades in exchange for development, rather than using the storm wall as an excuse to block development.



https://jerseydigs.com/hoboken-termi...lopment-plans/

[Busy Bee]

Yeah this sucks hard. This whole scheme has suffered from painfully low ambition from day one.

[chris08876]

Long-Awaited Hoboken Terminal Redevelopment Project Advances

HOBOKEN, NJ — A long-awaited project to revitalize the area surrounding Hoboken’s waterfront transit hub has taken a big step forward.

On Wednesday night, the Hoboken City Council unanimously approved a redevelopment agreement that aims to reactivate the neighborhood by adding residences, offices, retail and open public space, as well as much-needed improvements to what NJ Transit describes as “the crown jewel” of its transit system.

According to LCOR, the city’s designated redeveloper for the multi-phase project, Hoboken Connect focuses on Hoboken Terminal, Warrington Plaza and three properties just north of NJ Transit’s railroad tracks and, once complete, will be a “transformational redevelopment” that will “revitalize one of the main gateways to the City of Hoboken.”

Key elements:

A 20-story, 635,000-square-foot office building with ground-floor retail space on a site directly next to the street entrance for the PATH trains. It would replace an abandoned building and parking lot currently.

A 28-story, 389-unit residential property just west of the proposed office building. According to LCOR, 20% of the units would be earmarked as affordable.

Additionally, Warrington Plaza and Hoboken Terminal will undergo renovations, including the addition of an outdoor marketplace and food kiosks and restoration of the terminal’s second floor, which has been closed for decades, to host public events or serve as an art gallery.

For the public improvement phase of the project — which are focused on the transportation facility upgrades — Gov. Phil Murphy committed $176 million from the newly-signed fiscal year 2023 state budget.

There will also be infrastructure improvements to address flooding issues, resiliency, pedestrian safety and circulation. All improvements will be made using historic preservation guidelines where applicable, the city said.

Although talks about improving the area stretch back over 40 years, it wasn’t until 2007 that the city formally recognized it needed improvement and began examining how to introduce transit-oriented, mixed-use development around the terminal.

After several years of planning, the city adopted the Hoboken Yard Redevelopment Plan in 2014. However, a state decision to build a flood wall in front of the rail yard tracks forced the city to amend the scope of the project.

In early 2020, an amended version of the plan was approved by the city, but the pandemic slowed down the process of preparing design concepts.

A total cost for the project, which will consist of private and public components, was not provided.

In a statement Thursday afternoon to TAPInto Hoboken, Brian Barry, LCOR’s senior vice president, said, “At the start of planning for Hoboken Connect, we aligned with the City and our partners on our goals for this redevelopment, which included re-activating a historic, treasured gateway to Hoboken while driving economic development opportunities, investing in NJ Transit infrastructure and creating inviting and inclusive public spaces.”


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Construction is expected to begin during the second quarter of 2023, likely starting with the residential property first, and the entire project should be complete by early 2029, LCOR has said. According to the city, more than 9,800 construction jobs will be created.

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https://www.tapinto.net/towns/hoboke...oject-advances