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Old Posted Feb 8, 2022, 6:35 PM
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Here's an idea, why don't we just landmark Manhattan? It's agreed that we like it, let's just preserve everything as is. Who needs new buildings when old buildings already exists? Future generations need to know what I can look at today. How will they ever know what was? In fact, the greatest mistake ever made was building out Manhattan in the first place. It would have been much nicer in it's natural state. So let's just stop building now, and preserve everything forever.
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Here's an idea, why don't we just landmark Manhattan? It's agreed that we like it, let's just preserve everything as is. Who needs new buildings when old buildings already exists? Future generations need to know what I can look at today. How will they ever know what was? In fact, the greatest mistake ever made was building out Manhattan in the first place. It would have been much nicer in it's natural state. So let's just stop building now, and preserve everything forever.
Cool strawman, where did you get it? In all seriousness, I just think as the last of the major terminal city hotels left and a well-preserved prewar hotel in general, it deserves some consideration.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2022, 7:47 PM
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^ Designating me the king of the city deserves some consideration, but not likely to happen.

I wonder if the hotel will at least temporarily open, like the Grand Hyatt…



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The owner of Manhattan’s Roosevelt Hotel lost its bid for a court order blocking New York City’s new $500 weekly severance mandate for hotel workers laid off during the Covid-19 pandemic, according to a federal court ruling issued Wednesday.
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As the last of the major terminal city hotels left and a well-preserved prewar hotel in general, it deserves some consideration.
Fully agree. We treat our city like a junkyard. Look at London as an example of how a thriving financial center and metropolis can do better.

I'm always shocked at how - amid large numbers of empty lots, postwar dreck, etc. - some people want to tear up our finite-and-dwindling pre-war architectural heritage and replace it with a Tijuana's worth of McSams.
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Fully agree. We treat our city like a junkyard. Look at London as an example of how a thriving financial center and metropolis can do better.

I'm always shocked at how - amid large numbers of empty lots, postwar dreck, etc. - some people want to tear up our finite-and-dwindling pre-war architectural heritage and replace it with a Tijuana's worth of McSams.
This isn't about London, which is an entirely different city, both in general and in it's physical makeup. As far as a large number of empty lots in the city, especially in midtown, well that's just too ridiculous for words.
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Fully agree. We treat our city like a junkyard. Look at London as an example of how a thriving financial center and metropolis can do better.

I'm always shocked at how - amid large numbers of empty lots, postwar dreck, etc. - some people want to tear up our finite-and-dwindling pre-war architectural heritage and replace it with a Tijuana's worth of McSams.
In addition to what NYguy said above, not every property is for sale and developers own those buildings that are getting demolished. In layman's terms, you develop on land that you own or what's feasible to buy.

Those little plots of empty land in Midtown (which by the way, there aren't that many), may not be great to develop skyscrapers on.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2022, 11:48 PM
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In addition to what NYguy said above, not every property is for sale and developers own those buildings that are getting demolished. In layman's terms, you develop on land that you own or what's feasible to buy.

Those little plots of empty land in Midtown (which by the way, there aren't that many), may not be great to develop skyscrapers on.

Yeah, the pressures on real estate in Midtown are such that just a block away, we've recently witnessed the demolition of a 700 ft tower to be replaced by one twice as tall. Not something you're gonna see in most places.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2022, 11:57 PM
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Still don't know if they will reopen like the Hyatt, but the website still has this goodbye message...









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Hotel owners lose bid to defeat severance law
Federal judge upholds city measure requiring payments up to $15,000 for ex-workers




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The forlorn hotel industry has suffered another blow as a judge upheld a city law requiring severance payments for laid-off workers.

The Hotel Association of New York’s challenge to the hotel severance bill was struck down in federal court, Crain’s reported. The industry trade group doesn’t have any plans to appeal the decision.

The owners group brought the case in October, arguing that the law illegally forced city hotels to create an employee benefit plan requiring administrative services. Judge Paul Oetken disagreed, writing that the law “likely does not obligate an employer to create a plan because it does not require an ongoing administrative program to deliver mandated severance pay.”
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The Roosevelt Hotel made a similar individual claim about the lawsuit. According to Crain’s, the judge denied its request for an injunction as well. Severance fees add various other problems facing the hotel.

The bill signed into law last fall by then-mayor Bill de Blasio, an ally of the hotel workers union that advocated for the measure, forced the city’s closed hotels to either reopen or pay severance of up to $500 per week for 30 weeks to furloughed staff. The law applies to hotels that cut at least 75 percent of service employees. Hotels had until Oct. 11 to recall employees and Nov. 1 to reopen.

Several hotels opted to reopen, avoiding the severance payments. Days after the bill passed, the New York Hilton Midtown and the Grand Hyatt in Midtown both announced they would resume operations. The since-renamed Hotel Trades Council said the 1,900-key Hilton would bring back approximately 30 percent of its staff, while the 1,300-key Hyatt was looking to bring back about 25 percent of its staff — just enough to comply with the law.

The law also prompted the Omni Berkshire Place, a 399-key Midtown hotel closed since June 2020, to welcome back guests. The president of Omni Hotels & Restaurants told Crain’s, “Paying the severance would have cost more than reopening.”



https://www.costar.com/article/21259...oteliers-ready

New York City's Tourism Is Back, but Are Hoteliers Ready?
About 115 Hotels Remain Closed in the City





The 1,025-room Roosevelt Hotel in New York City remains closed. About one-fourth of its unionized hotel workers are still laid off.


By Dana Miller
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April 7, 2022


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Word on the street is that New York City's tourism is being revived after two pandemic-filled years of empty tourist attractions, according to the New York Times.

Data from STR, CoStar's hospitality analytics firm, shows three-quarters of New York City's available hotel rooms were filled during the week ending March 19.

A forecast from NYC & Company estimates there will be a 70% increase in tourists this year in New York City from 2021 to a total of 56.4 million visitors, including 8 million from abroad. While that total is still short of pre-pandemic levels, this is promising for recovery.

But I'm also concerned. The New York Times reports about 115 hotels out of New York City's total hotel supply haven't reopened after being battered by the pandemic. And employment in the leisure and hospitality sector is still down.
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Knock that crap down. Would be perfect location for 2,000 ft., skyline-altering tower.
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I think a mixed-use, office/hotel scenario would work best for this site. Something along the lines of the Grand Hyatt. It wouldn't be as large in size, (it would be basically identical in zoning to 1 Vanderbilt). But the height could be anything, depending on design.
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I'd prefer at least 1,500 akin to the original 1 Vanderbilt proposal. But right now the height isn't that important as it's just getting torn down, no design, no anything else yet.
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I'd prefer at least 1,500 akin to the original 1 Vanderbilt proposal. But right now the height isn't that important as it's just getting torn down, no design, no anything else yet.
Who said that it will be razed?
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Who said that it will be razed?
Was it not? I keep getting it mixed up with the other large hotel.
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Who said that it will be razed?
I don't think there's any chance it won't be razed.

It would be crazy to keep a giant, abandoned hotel when you have development rights for a 2 million square foot supertall.
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A good compromise would be "we'll allow you to raze it if the new tower has a guaranteed roof height no less than 1777 feet"

I think that's more than fair.
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I'd prefer at least 1,500 akin to the original 1 Vanderbilt proposal. But right now the height isn't that important as it's just getting torn down, no design, no anything else yet.
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I don't think there's any chance it won't be razed.

It would be crazy to keep a giant, abandoned hotel when you have development rights for a 2 million square foot supertall.
Yeah, there are no definitive plans as of yet, as there are various issues swirling that haven't been resolved. The talk has been of redevelopment into a mixed-use tower, and that seems the best case for some type of hotel to remain a part of the site.



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A good compromise would be "we'll allow you to raze it if the new tower has a guaranteed roof height no less than 1777 feet"

I think that's more than fair.
LOL, there would be a never-ending NIMBY riot.
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Isn't this being considered for landmarking too?
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Isn't this being considered for landmarking too?
No. Just some people who would like it to be.
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