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  #1981  
Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 4:48 PM
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Some Fun (Depending on how you look at it) Legal news.

Despite what your screeching family and friends on Facebook say, as they all became doctors and epidemiologists sometime back in April, States DO NOT have legal authority for this kind of lock down orders.

These types of lawsuits over COVID measures will go on for DECADES and will cost states BILLIONS. Oh man I wish I became an attorney they are going to clean up.

Decades from now we will be seeing late night commercials that say "Did you or a loved one forgo voluntary Treatment during the COVID pandemic" or "Were you are a loved one forced into bankruptcy during the COVID pandemic" my god it will never ever end.

More than 100 bar owners join lawsuit against Ducey
Many other State's Supreme Courts (New Mexico, for example) disagree already as many of them have already granted stays and overturned Lower Court's decisions to re-open restaurants/bars/gyms.

But Yeah you're right. One would be making a killing right now if they were an Attorney. I can just see it now "Were you a Teacher that was forced back to work in an unsafe and unhealthy environment with no appropriate safety measures and/or funding due to Parents being lazy and not wanting to deal with their own kids at home?!"
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 5:17 PM
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Many other State's Supreme Courts (New Mexico, for example) disagree already as many of them have already granted stays and overturned Lower Court's decisions to re-open restaurants/bars/gyms.

But Yeah you're right. One would be making a killing right now if they were an Attorney. I can just see it now "Were you a Teacher that was forced back to work in an unsafe and unhealthy environment with no appropriate safety measures and/or funding due to Parents being lazy and not wanting to deal with their own kids at home?!"
What they've been doing is rejecting stays of orders, basically punting the issue down the road and making the decision to deal with these types of lawsuites later than potentially risk a public health crisis now.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 8:01 PM
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Meanwhile, in LA...

Mayor Garcetti has personally authorized the city to shut off power to residential homes that host gatherings. Because, you know... that's his biggest problem right now.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 9:07 PM
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Meanwhile, in LA...

Mayor Garcetti has personally authorized the city to shut off power to residential homes that host gatherings. Because, you know... that's his biggest problem right now.
It’s a possible strategy in Los Angeles because electricity there is provided by the city government. It would be far more difficult to get APS or SRP to be enforcers since they’re non-governmental in the case of APS and quasi-governmental in the case of SRP. It might appear better than a heavy-handed police response, but all it takes is one person claiming a death from heat stroke or the shutoff of medical equipment to make the city look like it’s as much of a threat to public health as the pandemic itself.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 9:12 PM
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The high in Los Angeles today is 94. It's unacceptable to turn off power right now. Looks like we are all reasonable people who agree on this.

If I were a resident of LA I would be really upset about this, it takes one death to cost the city money and kill someone's career. Very questionable move.
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It's my understanding that these residences or unoccupied and rented out for parties and weddings.The city is trying to stop this because of the social gatherings during this pandemic.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2020, 11:58 PM
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It’s a possible strategy in Los Angeles because electricity there is provided by the city government.
Southern California Edison isn't owned by the city of Los Angeles...
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Yeah, LA isn't shutting off power to any owner-occupiers. These house parties are illegal under the public health order which is clearly established by the State Health and Safety Code. These parties would be nuisances even if there wasn't a pandemic, you can't run businesses like that in a residential neighborhood. The owners and AirBNBers should be in jail even if they weren't hosting a plaguefest after being warned a handful of times but it's just easier to kill the power if you run the utility.

As for Arizona, I don't know where to begin searching Title 28 of Arizona Revised Statutes about public health, but I would be surprised if Ducey was acting without any legal authority.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2020, 12:12 AM
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Southern California Edison isn't owned by the city of Los Angeles...
No, but the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power certainly is.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2020, 1:28 AM
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No, but the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power certainly is.
Yes, and that’s a pretty unusual situation (having electricity provided by a city government) that gives the mayor more power (sorry, couldn’t resist) to enforce things.

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It's my understanding that these residences or unoccupied and rented out for parties and weddings.The city is trying to stop this because of the social gatherings during this pandemic.
If that’s the case, this might be a valid tactic. I just hope they’re taking steps to be absolutely sure that power it not cut off inadvertently to vulnerable residents.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2020, 4:41 AM
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Yes, and that’s a pretty unusual situation (having electricity provided by a city government) that gives the mayor more power (sorry, couldn’t resist) to enforce things.
Threatening to cut the power was the better option rather than simply arresting the people involved. LAPD had been out there a few times before and they could have been much more strict. Ignoring public health orders is a misdemeanor in California with fines up to $1500 and 30 days in jail, but nobody seems to want to go that route. SJPD has been out to other situations near where I live and didn't arrest anyone.

On the other hand, I do think that cutting utilities off seems to be extrajudicial in any case. It's hard when the rule of law is more heavy handed.

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If that’s the case, this might be a valid tactic. I just hope they’re taking steps to be absolutely sure that power it not cut off inadvertently to vulnerable residents.
They're not. We're not even close to that. The strictest thing I've ever seen is local governments are voting to issue $100 tickets to people who don't wear masks when they should. That seems more symbolic than anything else, infractions are on the lowest priority of law enforcement here.
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Southern California Edison isn't owned by the city of Los Angeles...
It’s an air b&b however I still think it’s illegal.

The amount of power the governors have assumed in general over this is absurd and people will be getting settled out from every which way for decades over all of this bullshit.

That being said the best part about covid is that it gave everyone a civics lesson and for the first time in...idk a century? States are actually acting like independent states.

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[QUOTE=combusean;9017582

They're not. We're not even close to that. The strictest thing I've ever seen is local governments are voting to issue $100 tickets to people who don't wear masks when they should. That seems more symbolic than anything else, infractions are on the lowest priority of law enforcement here.[/QUOTE]

My guess is those fines are unenforceable as they are not law but executive action. Go to a judge and have them throw it out for you.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2020, 8:14 PM
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The amount of power the governors have assumed in general over this is absurd and people will be getting settled out from every which way for decades over all of this bullshit.
Couldn't agree more. The power of the executive branch at all levels has gotten out of control.
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Gila River Hotel & Casino will be building a new tower at their Wild Horse Pass property. Looks good!

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...tel-tower.html
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Gila River Hotel & Casino will be building a new tower at their Wild Horse Pass property. Looks good!

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...tel-tower.html
It's been under construction for a couple months and already has a tower crane up. I was surprised when I seen it heading down to Maricopa for golf as I had heard nothing about it.
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Rio Reimagined project to restore Salt, Gila rivers receives special desig. from EPA

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Who said it's not going anywhere? This is McCain's legacy project and I see it happening. It's currently in Year 2 but it's still years away. It was also recently designated as the 20th Urban Waters Federal Partnership (UWFP) location and hopefully will receive some federal funding

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AZ Central article on what I previously mentioned...baby steps.

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The Rio Reimagined project to restore the Salt and Gila rivers in metro Phoenix is getting a boost from the feds, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced Tuesday.

Rio Reimagined has been selected as the latest Urban Waters Federal Partnership project, an EPA program that seeks to cut red tape, open up grant opportunities and help local leaders decide where to best spend federal money.

Rio Reimagined is the 20th project chosen by the EPA since it launched the collaborative effort in 2011. It's the only such partnership in Arizona and the first one made under the Trump administration.

The designation is meant to kick-start the work that's already happening. The efforts include a partnership between Phoenix, Avondale, Tempe and Arizona State University to assess and clean up land near the Salt River with help from a $1.4 million EPA grant and growing efforts in far west Buckeye to clear invasive plants that choke the Gila River's flow.

The designation also is meant to fast-track the sort of permitting and logistical planning that's needed when working on a body of water that cuts across tribal, city and county jurisdictions.

The EPA made the announcement Tuesday on ASU's Tempe campus. Sen. Martha McSally, Rep. Paul Gosar, Tempe Mayor Corey Woods, Buckeye Mayor Jackie Meck, Gila River Indian Community Governor Stephen Roe Lewis and Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community President Martin Harvier were all present.

Others, including Cindy McCain and ASU President Michael Crow, delivered pre-recorded video messages praising the designation.

The Rio Reimagined project, pioneered by Sen. John McCain and announced by his wife Cindy in 2018, aims to restore and revitalize 58 miles of the Salt and Gila rivers, which wind through the Valley touching six cities and two Native American communities.

"For centuries, the Salt River has been the lifeblood of the Valley," said Cindy McCain, chair of the McCain Institute for International Leadership's board of trustees. "Looking at the river today, I see what John McCain saw … something that would keep future generations here."

What the designation means
The new designation for the Rio Reimagined project is meant to facilitate the process, officials said.

Since the Urban Waters Federal Partnership program was created, it's chosen 19 other projects across the U.S. where local officials saw a need to reconnect their urban cores to nature, EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler said Tuesday.

Some of the program's other partnerships include the Los Angeles River Watershed in Los Angeles, the Middle Rio Grande Watershed in Albuquerque and the San Antonio River Watershed in Bexar County, Texas.

"It’s been said that this river gave life to this Valley and now it’s time to return life to this river," Wheeler said.

'The river helped to create our community'
The Valley has an opportunity to make the Salt and Gila rivers its "centerpiece," ASU President Michael Crow said.

Dams and reservoirs first installed more than 100 years ago stopped the Salt River's annual flow, he said. While they've served central Arizona well, it's time to reinvest in the river, he said.

"Over 100 years later, we’ve moved to the point where urbanization and fabulous development are occurring and on the banks of the river are 5 million people, give or take," Crow said. "(We can) build the Rio Salado in a way in which it becomes the centerpiece."

Several speakers on Tuesday acknowledged that the modern Phoenix area was built over indigenous lands and the Valley's vast framework of canals wouldn't be possible without the prior system used by indigenous peoples.

"Arizona State University is located in Indian Country," former Tempe Mayor Neil Giuliano said at the announcement.

"These Gila, Salt and Agua Fria tributaries in central Arizona are not only sacred to us, but important to the non-Indians who live in Arizona," Stephen Roe Lewis, Gila River Indian Community governor, added.

Plans to revitalize the Valley's watersheds date back to the 1960s, when a group of ASU students launched the "Rio Salado Project" to develop along the river. Those plans ultimately led to Tempe Town Lake's creation.

Today's plans are similar, but they also focus on clearing invasive species, as well as the potential to add trails for hiking, biking and horseback riding.

“The Valley of the Sun exists because of Native American tribes who ingeniously transported water across the Valley floor through an innovative canal system,” Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego said in a statement. "The river helped to create our community and we are thrilled that with this influx of resources, we can reinvigorate this area which runs through six cities and two tribal communities.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/5680612002/
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Apple Maps Look Around for Phoenix

Apple Maps added ‘Look Around’ (street view) to their app today.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/07...round-phoenix/

Doing a tour around Scottsdale - not all neighborhoods have coverage - but all the main roads seem to. The 3D/Parallax effect is far superior to Google Maps - I like it.
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https://youtu.be/bXbqgLQ1v6k

Another downtown drive around was posted to YouTube recently, captures not all developments but several of them. Right after the run the red light on Van Buren, you can see the fencing up at Central Station. They also make a quick jaunt up 2nd Ave so you can see the O’ Neil Printing project, Duo on Filllore, and the ASU dorm.
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Two additional tower cranes are currently being erected at the Mayo Hospital campus in North Phoenix. These are for the West Tower. Combined with the two existing for the East Tower, there will be 4 total towering over the hospital after this weekend and visible from the Loop 101!
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